Help with Identification please

A. G. Maisey · 8th October 2010, 06:08 AM

Yes David, agreed.

A completely different question to that raised by Cedric.

Here is Cedric's original question:-

"---But nobody ever mention the relation between the handle and the blade. ---
Does anybody think that the handle is anything more than just a grip to handle the blade, and is there any opinion on the role of the handle on guarding or protecting the recipient faculty of the keris blade?---"

which is most certainly very different to the question raised by Imas, which began this thread:-

"---I bought a keris recently but am not sure of origin.
I've had a look in van Zonneveld and a search in the posts.
Any help in identifying would be greatly appreciated---"

The nature of threads in our discussions does seem to wander all over the ship, so now we have this additional question which is this:-

When did the term "Gana Hilt" first appear in print as the name for this naturally occurring form used as a hilt?

If you feel that discussion is becoming too diverse, perhaps in your capacity as moderator you may care to isolate each of the several topics that have been addressed in this thread, together with their relevant posts, and start new threads with them?

David · 8th October 2010, 01:30 PM

Nope, i don't feel the discussion is becoming too diverse at all and your question is indeed valid. I fully understand the nature of of threads in these discussions at this point. I just don't want to see this tangent obscure Sajen and Imas question before we have had a chance to explore it more. There is certainly room for everyone's questions here...

Sajen · 8th October 2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Nope, i don't feel the discussion is becoming too diverse at all and your question is indeed valid. I fully understand the nature of of threads in these discussions at this point. I just don't want to see this tangent obscure Sajen and Imas question before we have had a chance to explore it more. There is certainly room for everyone's questions here...

Thank you David!

A. G. Maisey · 8th October 2010, 11:12 PM

Thanks David, and thank you Detlef for your clarification.

Martin was a fine gentleman --- at least in my estimation --- and a very likable an intelligent person, but he did have a very active imagination.

In fact, I do not know of any formal name for these naturally occurring forms that are used as keris hilts. Admittedly, I've never seen many of them in Jawa, in fact, I've never seen many of them, period.

It may be that in the current era collector cliques there is some sort of accepted name for this type of hilt, but what I'd like to know is if there is a formal name that goes back a few years, say prior to WWII. I'll see if I can make some enquiries.

David · 8th October 2010, 11:20 PM

Alan, you say that you haven't seen many of these so-called "gana" hilts. Would you say that of the ones you have seen that there are a few with some age to them, or are the hilts themselves a fairly recent phenomenon?

A. G. Maisey · 9th October 2010, 01:49 AM

The very few hilts I have seen like this have all been old, with good patina. I've never seen a recent one.

8th October 2010, 06:08 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Yes David, agreed. A completely different question to that raised by Cedric. Here is Cedric's original question:- "---But nobody ever mention the relation between the handle and the blade. --- Does anybody think that the handle is anything more than just a grip to handle the blade, and is there any opinion on the role of the handle on guarding or protecting the recipient faculty of the keris blade?---" which is most certainly very different to the question raised by Imas, which began this thread:- "---I bought a keris recently but am not sure of origin. I've had a look in van Zonneveld and a search in the posts. Any help in identifying would be greatly appreciated---" The nature of threads in our discussions does seem to wander all over the ship, so now we have this additional question which is this:- When did the term "Gana Hilt" first appear in print as the name for this naturally occurring form used as a hilt? If you feel that discussion is becoming too diverse, perhaps in your capacity as moderator you may care to isolate each of the several topics that have been addressed in this thread, together with their relevant posts, and start new threads with them?

8th October 2010, 01:30 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,237	Nope, i don't feel the discussion is becoming too diverse at all and your question is indeed valid. I fully understand the nature of of threads in these discussions at this point. I just don't want to see this tangent obscure Sajen and Imas question before we have had a chance to explore it more. There is certainly room for everyone's questions here...

8th October 2010, 11:12 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Thanks David, and thank you Detlef for your clarification. Martin was a fine gentleman --- at least in my estimation --- and a very likable an intelligent person, but he did have a very active imagination. In fact, I do not know of any formal name for these naturally occurring forms that are used as keris hilts. Admittedly, I've never seen many of them in Jawa, in fact, I've never seen many of them, period. It may be that in the current era collector cliques there is some sort of accepted name for this type of hilt, but what I'd like to know is if there is a formal name that goes back a few years, say prior to WWII. I'll see if I can make some enquiries.

8th October 2010, 11:20 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,237	Alan, you say that you haven't seen many of these so-called "gana" hilts. Would you say that of the ones you have seen that there are a few with some age to them, or are the hilts themselves a fairly recent phenomenon?

9th October 2010, 01:49 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	The very few hilts I have seen like this have all been old, with good patina. I've never seen a recent one.