Pos Greek Cartridge box for ID please (Ilias and Eftihis are you there?)

[Matchlock]

Hi Gene,

I am quite certain that this is either Greek or Balkan, 19th century.

Best,
Michael

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Hi Gene,

I am quite certain that this is either Greek or Balkan, 19th century.

Best,
Michael

Hi Michael,

Thanks for coming in on this one. Do the designs have any significance to you?
They are quite distinctive with the eagles and central figure......... I have high hopes that it could be identified.

Best
Gene

[ilias]

Hi Atlantia.
You really got a very nice palaska.
I will agree with Eftihis about the possible origin from Epirus in North Greece.
About the design one possible explanation is:
The woman figure possibly a "goddess" or ''Greece'' sits on war trophies and holds at each hand Amalthea's horn.
I wish I could help more.
All the best.
Ilias

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by ilias

Hi Atlantia.
You really got a very nice palaska.
I will agree with Eftihis about the possible origin from Epirus in North Greece.
About the design one possible explanation is:
The woman figure possibly a "goddess" or ''Greece'' sits on war trophies and holds at each hand Amalthea's horn.
I wish I could help more.
All the best.
Ilias

Hi Ilias
Thanks for your help.
Your explanation of the design is exatly the kind of thing I was hoping for.
Is Greece often represented by a woman, like Britain by Britannia?
Britannia is also often represented in similar fashion: War trophies, shield, spear and Lion.
Do the eagles have a special meaning for Greece?
I know of course of the double headed eagle symbol and isn't there a connection between zeus and two eagles?
Anyway, as you can imagine I am very pleased that this seems to have a good chance of being Greek. It's origin was unidentified by the dealer and I made the assumption that it was (partly because I really wanted a Greek one!)
Best
Gene

[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Michael,

Thanks for coming in on this one. Do the designs have any significance to you?
They are quite distinctive with the eagles and central figure......... I have high hopes that it could be identified.

Best
Gene

Hi Gene,

Jeeping creepers, I've seen plenty of those patrons in sales catalogs but I can't find any at the moment. The web is not helpful either: no useful entries for 'oriental/greek/brass/patron/firearms' on Firefox. I did do some research, believe me.

I will hang on though and leaf thru more important sales catalogs. Sorry but it's not my field of expertise.

Eftihis, could you possibly contribute some reference pics from a book or catalog on Greek or oriental art? These patrons are not rare, there are plenty of them in the market ...

Gene, please have patience.

A dead tired good night to the sunny (? ) South of England from a cold, windy and rainy Bavaria -

and of course best as always,
Michael

[Matchlock]

Hi Gene,

Can't seem to find any sleep right now so I kept worrying about your query.

The figure represented on your patron (and zillions of similar objects), to my inexperienced eye, seems to be a kind of ancient oriental goddess.

Just an idea anyway.

Almost snoring away ...
Michael

[Rick]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Hi Gene,

Can't seem to find any sleep right now so I kept worrying about your query.

The figure represented on your patron (and zillions of similar objects), to my inexperienced eye, seems to be a kind of ancient oriental goddess.

Just an idea anyway.

Almost snoring away ...
Michael

Just wondering ....

Athena perhaps ?

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[Sylektis]

It is not clear.
Maybe an ancient goddess of vegetation, or Mermaid (the sister of Alexander the Great), or Demetra (Ceres), or Athena or all together.
(Yannoula Kaplani Palaskes & Medoularia from Vassilis Korkolopoulos collection 2000)

The most of them are bronze casts but you can find at least a silver one in the collection above.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Hi Gene,

Jeeping creepers, I've seen plenty of those patrons in sales catalogs but I can't find any at the moment. The web is not helpful either: no useful entries for 'oriental/greek/brass/patron/firearms' on Firefox. I did do some research, believe me.

I will hang on though and leaf thru more important sales catalogs. Sorry but it's not my field of expertise.

Eftihis, could you possibly contribute some reference pics from a book or catalog on Greek or oriental art? These patrons are not rare, there are plenty of them in the market ...

Gene, please have patience.

A dead tired good night to the sunny (? ) South of England from a cold, windy and rainy Bavaria -

and of course best as always,
Michael

Hi Michael,

Thanks for looking, I really do appreciate it.

And to be honest, it's raining well here as well.

Best
Gene

[Matchlock]

Hi Gene,

You seem to sometimes be some kind of a nightowl too ...

Good night from sleepless at Bavaria,
Michael

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Hi Gene,

You seem to sometimes be some kind of a nightowl too ...

Good night from sleepless at Bavaria,
Michael

LOL, its true! Even now I'm a dad and Alex makes my sleep pattern even more random, I still can't resist looking on the forums when I'm near the PC!

[Matchlock]

You're a very lucky and happy nightowl being a dad!