Philippine weapons in Spanish museums

migueldiaz · 27th September 2010, 08:00 AM

sajen, nonoy, jose, gav, thanks for the comments.

ron, i don't have the pic of the whole design. in some museums for pieces like this, they put a mirror behind the item.

dimasalang, thanks for the comments on the samurais in the phils. i should read again morga as i missed that part

talking about phil. history, at the agustinianos' library in valladolid, spain (where museo oriental is located), i spent merely about half an hour at the library and i already found interesting titles (excerpts of some articles are below, and the entire articles are here .

i think [dimasalang] should spent at least a month there at valladolid!

migueldiaz · 27th September 2010, 08:25 AM

below are some more pics from museo naval in madrid.

the shipyard was in cavite (along manila bay), where many ships were built during the colonial period. the parao is a type of "pirate" ship that was used also in southern philippines then, i suppose.

the entire photo album is here.

migueldiaz · 27th September 2010, 09:45 AM

Another museum I saw was Museo Oriental in Valladolid (about 1 hour by train from Madrid).

I can't post the pics I took because of the museum policy. I bought their books on Phil. items, and below are sample pics from the book (the other pics are here).

migueldiaz · 27th September 2010, 09:51 AM

The last museum I saw is Museo de America, in Madrid.

Below are sample pics. Most of the items are inside a cabinet, which glass is textured(!) thus the poor pics.

All of the pics I took are here.

Battara · 27th September 2010, 04:57 PM

Once again some great pictures. Thank you for all your efforts and hard work. Love the Bagobo shield.

VANDOO · 27th September 2010, 05:57 PM

GREAT PICTURES WITH AN INTERESTING SELECTION OF WAR CLUBS. IT LOOKS TO BE 5 CLUBS FIJI/TONGAN, 2 SAMOA, 1 SOLOMON ISLANDS AND ONE SHORT CLUB FROM SOUTH AMERICA.
ITS NEAT TO SEE THE PHILIPPINE MORO KRISES WITH THE DAYAK DESIGNS ON THEM. THE THIRD PICTURE FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE LAST GROUP IS OF A KRIS WITH A FIGURAL HANDLE. IS THERE ANY INFORMATION ON IT IN THE BOOK? I HAVE A KRIS WITH A SIMULAR FIGURAL HANDLE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PIN DOWN AS TO WHERE IT ORIGINATED.

migueldiaz · 28th September 2010, 07:44 PM

Battara, thanks.

Vandoo, when I was looking at those clubs in the various museums I visited, I actually thought of you, that those clubs are your cup of tea

On whether there's info on their books, unfortunately there's none.

laEspadaAncha · 3rd October 2010, 11:04 PM

Lorenz,

I have greatly enjoyed pouring over these photos - Thank you for taking the time to document your visits and to post all the photos you have...

migueldiaz · 5th October 2010, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by laEspadaAncha

Lorenz,

I have greatly enjoyed pouring over these photos - Thank you for taking the time to document your visits and to post all the photos you have...

Thanks too. I enjoyed compiling the pics as well

Incidentally for everybody's info, here's a list of Filipino items I saw on display at Museo del Ejercito (the army museum), in Toledo:

A. ETHNOGRAPHIC SECTION

1. ME(CE) 43366: kampilan, Phil., Jolo archip., donated by Lt. Col. Fernando Molina in 1895

2. 43399: ligua [i.e., head axe], Phil., island of Luzon 1840; steel and wood, shaped & carved; donated by Lt. Gen. Narciso Claveria in 1850

3. 43020: cris, donated by Datto Dacula, ruler of Mindanao and Jolo, Phil., islands of Jolo and Mindanao, 1835; steel, wood, and vegetable fiber, shaped and carved and embossed; donated by Capt. Fernando Halcon in 1839

4. 120072; 120088; 120093; 120096; etc. - pics of Moros and other Filipinos

B. ESTADO LIBERAL SECTION

1. 43108: armadura [Moro armor]; armadura del Sultan Datto de Iligan

2. 43108.01: campilan; with disc and hair decoration at hilt

3. 43012.01[?]: campilan

4. 43219 - escudo [Kalinga-Igorot shield]

5. 43402 - ligua o hacha [head axe]

C. THE REFORMATION OF THE MONARCHY SECTION

1. 43075: machetes Filipinos [i.e., one left- and one right-handed chisel edged tenegres, with silver cladding on the 'monster' pommels] de Valeriano Weyner [a top general in the Phils. then];

2. 43397: machete golok; 1890-1895 [this is a typical Luzon tabak with a D-guard]

3. 43235: standard for the katipunan oath [green and red thick textile, with "KKK" and sun symbol, and with tassels on all edges]

4. 43393: mandil de Katipunan [with an image of a Spaniard's decapitated head being held by a hand, and an image of a dagger on the other hand]

D. [SECTION??]

1. 42280: campilan

2. 43219: escudo [Mindanao; this is the typical hour-glass shaped shield with sun symbol at the middle]

3. 43166: machete talibong [this is the typical Cebu variety]

4. 43266: machete barong

5. 43015: cris

6. 43292: machete panabas

E. ROMEO ORTIZ SECTION

1. 43461.01: armadura [Moro armor]

2. 43461.03: armadura, kurab-a-kulang

Navigator · 6th October 2010, 06:39 PM

What a wonderful thread!
Thanks for all your effort.

Are there any good collections in Manila that can be viewed by the public?

When I lived there I was privileged to visit the home of Ramon Tapales in White Plains. He had an outstanding collection.

But, at that time (1975-81), the museums in Manila and Baguio were a great disappointment.
All the good pieces were in private collections.

27th September 2010, 08:00 AM	#1
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	sajen, nonoy, jose, gav, thanks for the comments. ron, i don't have the pic of the whole design. in some museums for pieces like this, they put a mirror behind the item. dimasalang, thanks for the comments on the samurais in the phils. i should read again morga as i missed that part talking about phil. history, at the agustinianos' library in valladolid, spain (where museo oriental is located), i spent merely about half an hour at the library and i already found interesting titles (excerpts of some articles are below, and the entire articles are here . i think [dimasalang] should spent at least a month there at valladolid! Attached Images

27th September 2010, 08:25 AM	#2
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	below are some more pics from museo naval in madrid. the shipyard was in cavite (along manila bay), where many ships were built during the colonial period. the parao is a type of "pirate" ship that was used also in southern philippines then, i suppose. the entire photo album is here. Attached Images

27th September 2010, 09:45 AM	#3
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Another museum I saw was Museo Oriental in Valladolid (about 1 hour by train from Madrid). I can't post the pics I took because of the museum policy. I bought their books on Phil. items, and below are sample pics from the book (the other pics are here). Attached Images

27th September 2010, 09:51 AM	#4
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	The last museum I saw is Museo de America, in Madrid. Below are sample pics. Most of the items are inside a cabinet, which glass is textured(!) thus the poor pics. All of the pics I took are here. Attached Images

27th September 2010, 04:57 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Once again some great pictures. Thank you for all your efforts and hard work. Love the Bagobo shield.

27th September 2010, 05:57 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	GREAT PICTURES WITH AN INTERESTING SELECTION OF WAR CLUBS. IT LOOKS TO BE 5 CLUBS FIJI/TONGAN, 2 SAMOA, 1 SOLOMON ISLANDS AND ONE SHORT CLUB FROM SOUTH AMERICA. ITS NEAT TO SEE THE PHILIPPINE MORO KRISES WITH THE DAYAK DESIGNS ON THEM. THE THIRD PICTURE FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE LAST GROUP IS OF A KRIS WITH A FIGURAL HANDLE. IS THERE ANY INFORMATION ON IT IN THE BOOK? I HAVE A KRIS WITH A SIMULAR FIGURAL HANDLE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PIN DOWN AS TO WHERE IT ORIGINATED.

28th September 2010, 07:44 PM	#7
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	Battara, thanks. Vandoo, when I was looking at those clubs in the various museums I visited, I actually thought of you, that those clubs are your cup of tea On whether there's info on their books, unfortunately there's none.

3rd October 2010, 11:04 PM	#8
laEspadaAncha Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 608	Lorenz, I have greatly enjoyed pouring over these photos - Thank you for taking the time to document your visits and to post all the photos you have...

6th October 2010, 06:39 PM	#10
Navigator Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10	What a wonderful thread! Thanks for all your effort. Are there any good collections in Manila that can be viewed by the public? When I lived there I was privileged to visit the home of Ramon Tapales in White Plains. He had an outstanding collection. But, at that time (1975-81), the museums in Manila and Baguio were a great disappointment. All the good pieces were in private collections.