Help with Identification please

Rick · 26th September 2010, 03:22 PM

Mate, you do not want that solution spilled in the house after about a week .

Sajen · 26th September 2010, 03:27 PM

When I clean blades I do it in basement.

imas560 · 28th September 2010, 11:07 PM

Left the keris blade in the pineapple juice solution for a couple of days

imas560 · 28th September 2010, 11:09 PM

Then brushed with a toothbrush under warm running water

And then the keris blade was transferred back to the pineapple juice solution

imas560 · 28th September 2010, 11:15 PM

When I put the keris blade back in the juice I poured the juice into another container and then re-poured into the tube to mix the juice solution up. Should I do this?
Any pointers on dealing with the rust in the tungkekan(?) and along the peksi(?)?

A. G. Maisey · 28th September 2010, 11:32 PM

As to pouring the juice in and out of containers, I feel it is neither positive nor negative. I use wall paper troughs to clean in, and just leave the juice there until the job is done, if the fungus forms on top I just scoop it off and throw it away.

The hard rust in the joint between blade and gonjo will very probably never go, the only truly effective way to fix this is to remove the gonjo, clean the joint area, and reset the gonjo with epoxy resin mixed with iron filings in between blade and gonjo. This has been the preferred method of blade preservation with very old blades since epoxy resin became available, and it prevents further deterioration. I would not suggest that you did this, it is a job for somebody with the necessary skills and experience.

However I do strongly suggest that you use a sharp tool to pick the rust out from between blade and gonjo --- this does not need to be a perfect clean up job, just get the worst of it off the top --- and also all over the blade in the the pits and pockets where it will appear. I use a three sided file ground to a radiused point, a small pocket knife, and a saddlers awl to do this mechanical cleaning. I use a 2.5X machinists loupe during this mechanical cleaning process.

By the look of this blade you will probably get an acceptable result straight from the pineapple juice. After you think that you have it about as clean as you can get it, give it a final soak in the pineapple juice, then just rinse thoroughly and dry thoroughly, spray with WD40 and allow to drain over night. It won't be a perfect stain job, but it will be OK, and it will avoid the necessity for arsenic, and the difficult part of the process.

imas560 · 29th September 2010, 09:51 PM

Took the keris blade from the juice

28th September 2010, 11:07 PM	#3
imas560 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 180	Daily Wash Left the keris blade in the pineapple juice solution for a couple of days

28th September 2010, 11:09 PM	#4
imas560 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 180	Daily Wash Part 2 Then brushed with a toothbrush under warm running water And then the keris blade was transferred back to the pineapple juice solution

28th September 2010, 11:15 PM	#5
imas560 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 180	Questions When I put the keris blade back in the juice I poured the juice into another container and then re-poured into the tube to mix the juice solution up. Should I do this? Any pointers on dealing with the rust in the tungkekan(?) and along the peksi(?)?

29th September 2010, 09:51 PM	#7
imas560 Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 180	Second Wash Took the keris blade from the juice

26th September 2010, 03:22 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Mate, you do not want that solution spilled in the house after about a week .

26th September 2010, 03:27 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,272	When I clean blades I do it in basement.

28th September 2010, 11:32 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,048	As to pouring the juice in and out of containers, I feel it is neither positive nor negative. I use wall paper troughs to clean in, and just leave the juice there until the job is done, if the fungus forms on top I just scoop it off and throw it away. The hard rust in the joint between blade and gonjo will very probably never go, the only truly effective way to fix this is to remove the gonjo, clean the joint area, and reset the gonjo with epoxy resin mixed with iron filings in between blade and gonjo. This has been the preferred method of blade preservation with very old blades since epoxy resin became available, and it prevents further deterioration. I would not suggest that you did this, it is a job for somebody with the necessary skills and experience. However I do strongly suggest that you use a sharp tool to pick the rust out from between blade and gonjo --- this does not need to be a perfect clean up job, just get the worst of it off the top --- and also all over the blade in the the pits and pockets where it will appear. I use a three sided file ground to a radiused point, a small pocket knife, and a saddlers awl to do this mechanical cleaning. I use a 2.5X machinists loupe during this mechanical cleaning process. By the look of this blade you will probably get an acceptable result straight from the pineapple juice. After you think that you have it about as clean as you can get it, give it a final soak in the pineapple juice, then just rinse thoroughly and dry thoroughly, spray with WD40 and allow to drain over night. It won't be a perfect stain job, but it will be OK, and it will avoid the necessity for arsenic, and the difficult part of the process.