Please Help Me to Identify this Trenching Club

[Antique Arsenal]

Originally Posted by Bryan.H

I've seen trench clubs with provenance from the Western Front battlefields , now on display in the Australian War Memorial, where the hob-nails of boots have been used for spikes, others wrapped with barb wire, nails and cartridges hammered in to make spikes. Most look crude, but effective bludgeons for trench raids, made in the muddy confines of the trenches. The example you have in the picture may well be authentic, but it looks a bit too neat for a battlefield relic somehow. What are the spikes made of?

interesting topic by the way!

Cheers, Bryan.

Bryan I also wanted to note that tranche percussion weapons were not only manufactured in closest settlements and the tranches themselves but also in countries like Grate Brittan Germany. They were actually manufacturing trench clubs and maces in factories. That is why when I have seen the club for the first time I did not think that it is too neat. I will post some some pictures latter on .
Thanks,
Aleks

[stephen wood]

I have seen maces brought back from Spain as souvenirs.

Portugal did take part in WWI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_in_World_War_I

[fernando]

Originally Posted by stephen wood

... Portugal did take part in WWI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_in_World_War_I

Good Stephen,
You were faster than me .
Over a thousand Portuguese died in La Liz, for example.

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[stephen wood]

...bravo.

The Portuguese issue helmet is interesting http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/portugal/por16.htm ... http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=99337

...said, on the one hand to be based upon a private purchase British officers' model (they were made in the UK), on the other to have derived from a medieval type (?) http://reference.findtarget.com/sear...of%20Portugal/

[graeme gt]

A couple of trench clubs top one is Brit private purchase springy one German.

[fearn]

Originally Posted by graeme gt

A couple of trench clubs top one is Brit private purchase springy one German.

I'm a little curious about this thing the Germans have with spring clubs. A long while ago, a friend purchased a replica spring baton to see how it worked, and the best we could tell is that it didn't hit as hard as did a solid rod. The spring bent to absorb the impact.

How old is this idea? Is it just some sort of souped up black jack?

Best,

F

[graeme gt]

Dont know if its as good or worse than a solid rod but it would be very effective (OUCH).I think this is Austrian.

[Antique Arsenal]

Originally Posted by fearn

I'm a little curious about this thing the Germans have with spring clubs. A long while ago, a friend purchased a replica spring baton to see how it worked, and the best we could tell is that it didn't hit as hard as did a solid rod. The spring bent to absorb the impact.

How old is this idea? Is it just some sort of souped up black jack?

Best,

F

I am just speculating here but I think that when solid rod is used it would transfer a good amount of force to the arm of person who is holding the club. That would cause him to get tired faster or even damage his own arm. At the same time the spring club would absorb a good amount of that “reflected” force causing it to be more easily operated. Even though the a spring club would not cause as much impact as solid one it still would be more than enough to cause a fatal damage.
Thanks,
Aleks

[Antique Arsenal]

Originally Posted by stephen wood

I have seen maces brought back from Spain as souvenirs.

Portugal did take part in WWI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_in_World_War_I

Thank you very much for this note. I should have known better and done a better research.
Thanks,
Aleks

[Antique Arsenal]

Hi everyone I just wanted to post one of the pictures I have of WWI Austrian Club. If you want to I can provide the translation of the text below latter on.
Thanks,
Aleks

[Dmitry]

An Austrian Mace. Austrian Arch-Duke Eugene confessed that his troops on the Italian Front contain special detachments, armed with the special maces (clubs with sharp nails) for the purpose of finishing off Italian soldiers who are discovered to be in a lethargic state, after being poisoned by gas. Famous British journalist Lord Northcliffe, the publisher of the Times, who visited Goritza immediately after it was taken by the Italians, saw these maces, captured from the Austrians.

The Austrian club is pictured atop the Saxon pickelhaube. Good enough for the Russian WWI propaganda, I guess.

[fernando]

O.K. guys,
Sorry for the lack of diplomacy .
Now that we all have woven multiple considerations on Aleck's club, as well as other (almost) contemporaneous specimens, shouldn't we go back to items more within the scope of this forum, on what concerns, for example, antiquity?