Please help ID these spears

Clubs & Arrows · 3rd September 2010, 04:14 PM

Hi Rick,
I was able to get the head out to photograph the tang. Any ideas on origin?

Thanks,
Joe

Rick · 3rd September 2010, 04:27 PM

I have seen Javanese spears with this blade profile .

What throws me off is from the Methuk to the tang ...

Usually this area shows more work in the completion; usually a flared part above the tang that hides it when mounted on a haft .

Any chance this could be from Nias ?

I sure can't anchor it to one particular area; it has both Indonesian and Moro aspects .

Clubs & Arrows · 3rd September 2010, 04:52 PM

Rick,
When I purchased this from the previous owner's estate, I did also pick up a Nias stool, so it is possible. One of the problems is that when I purchased the spear, it was along with a lot of Philippine, Oceanic, African, and other Southeast Asian material. Kind of an ethnographic mixed bag. I'll certainly start looking towards Nias to see if I can find anything similar.

Thanks again,
Joe

Henk · 4th September 2010, 07:45 AM

I cann't get rid of the idea this one is Phillipine.

Rick · 4th September 2010, 07:52 AM

It's tempting to do so Henk .
Me, I'm just not sure .
The blade looks like it has been ritually washed a few times .
I'm seeing a topographic surface on this blade .

Henk · 4th September 2010, 11:22 AM

I can imagine Rick. You mentioned before you see pamor on the blade. I tried to discover if i could see the same, maybe it is pamor indeed but i thought it were more forging lines of folding of the metal during forging. I also see some rustspurs. Only in the middle of the blade i see something, but in my opinion that is more twistcore. The blade is in my opinion more comparable with a Moro Budiak.
I cann't see the spurs of ritual washing of this blade on the pics. For me this is a blade i have to hold in my hands to give a good comment.
Fact is it is a beauty and very nice to discuss.

kai · 5th September 2010, 04:16 AM

I'm pretty sure, the larger one is not Moro - the flow of lines doesn't seem to fit...

Regards,
Kai

3rd September 2010, 04:14 PM	#1
Clubs & Arrows Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Gabriel Foothills, Southern California Posts: 94	Hi Rick, I was able to get the head out to photograph the tang. Any ideas on origin? Thanks, Joe Attached Images

3rd September 2010, 04:27 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	I have seen Javanese spears with this blade profile . What throws me off is from the Methuk to the tang ... Usually this area shows more work in the completion; usually a flared part above the tang that hides it when mounted on a haft . Any chance this could be from Nias ? I sure can't anchor it to one particular area; it has both Indonesian and Moro aspects . Last edited by Rick; 3rd September 2010 at 04:46 PM.

3rd September 2010, 04:52 PM	#3
Clubs & Arrows Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Gabriel Foothills, Southern California Posts: 94	Rick, When I purchased this from the previous owner's estate, I did also pick up a Nias stool, so it is possible. One of the problems is that when I purchased the spear, it was along with a lot of Philippine, Oceanic, African, and other Southeast Asian material. Kind of an ethnographic mixed bag. I'll certainly start looking towards Nias to see if I can find anything similar. Thanks again, Joe

4th September 2010, 07:45 AM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I cann't get rid of the idea this one is Phillipine.

4th September 2010, 07:52 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	It's tempting to do so Henk . Me, I'm just not sure . The blade looks like it has been ritually washed a few times . I'm seeing a topographic surface on this blade .

4th September 2010, 11:22 AM	#6
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I can imagine Rick. You mentioned before you see pamor on the blade. I tried to discover if i could see the same, maybe it is pamor indeed but i thought it were more forging lines of folding of the metal during forging. I also see some rustspurs. Only in the middle of the blade i see something, but in my opinion that is more twistcore. The blade is in my opinion more comparable with a Moro Budiak. I cann't see the spurs of ritual washing of this blade on the pics. For me this is a blade i have to hold in my hands to give a good comment. Fact is it is a beauty and very nice to discuss.

5th September 2010, 04:16 AM	#7
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	I'm pretty sure, the larger one is not Moro - the flow of lines doesn't seem to fit... Regards, Kai