Please help ID these spears

Rick · 2nd September 2010, 08:38 PM

Close ups of the bases (methuk) of these spearheads might be enlightening .

Would also like to see the heads themselves photographed in daylight .

Clubs & Arrows · 2nd September 2010, 09:50 PM

Hi Rick,
Here are a few outdoor shots. Sorry about the shadows in some of the pics.

Thanks again for any help,
Joe

Rick · 3rd September 2010, 03:19 AM

Thank you .

It seems the larger one has pamor .
The facets on the methuk area are unfamiliar to me .

A four sided tang on the large spear ?

Clubs & Arrows · 3rd September 2010, 04:24 AM

Hi Rick,
Yes the tang is four sided. I've had both Moro and non-Moro opinions on this spear. Does the band of triangles encircling the shaft seem familiar? Any help with this would be appreciated.

Thanks again,
Joe

Rick · 3rd September 2010, 05:37 AM

There are some differences in the tang construction of Javanese spears :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12310

The square tang is unusual to me; I admit to being puzzled .
I don't believe I've seen a square tang on a Javanese spear; that's not saying much though .

The head is firmly attached to the shaft, and not removable ?

Clubs & Arrows · 3rd September 2010, 04:14 PM

Hi Rick,
I was able to get the head out to photograph the tang. Any ideas on origin?

Thanks,
Joe

Rick · 3rd September 2010, 04:27 PM

I have seen Javanese spears with this blade profile .

What throws me off is from the Methuk to the tang ...

Usually this area shows more work in the completion; usually a flared part above the tang that hides it when mounted on a haft .

Any chance this could be from Nias ?

I sure can't anchor it to one particular area; it has both Indonesian and Moro aspects .

2nd September 2010, 09:50 PM	#2
Clubs & Arrows Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Gabriel Foothills, Southern California Posts: 94	Hi Rick, Here are a few outdoor shots. Sorry about the shadows in some of the pics. Thanks again for any help, Joe Attached Images

3rd September 2010, 04:24 AM	#4
Clubs & Arrows Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Gabriel Foothills, Southern California Posts: 94	Hi Rick, Yes the tang is four sided. I've had both Moro and non-Moro opinions on this spear. Does the band of triangles encircling the shaft seem familiar? Any help with this would be appreciated. Thanks again, Joe Attached Images

3rd September 2010, 04:14 PM	#6
Clubs & Arrows Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: San Gabriel Foothills, Southern California Posts: 94	Hi Rick, I was able to get the head out to photograph the tang. Any ideas on origin? Thanks, Joe Attached Images

3rd September 2010, 04:27 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	I have seen Javanese spears with this blade profile . What throws me off is from the Methuk to the tang ... Usually this area shows more work in the completion; usually a flared part above the tang that hides it when mounted on a haft . Any chance this could be from Nias ? I sure can't anchor it to one particular area; it has both Indonesian and Moro aspects . Last edited by Rick; 3rd September 2010 at 04:46 PM.

2nd September 2010, 08:38 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Close ups of the bases (methuk) of these spearheads might be enlightening . Would also like to see the heads themselves photographed in daylight .

3rd September 2010, 03:19 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Thank you . It seems the larger one has pamor . The facets on the methuk area are unfamiliar to me . A four sided tang on the large spear ?

3rd September 2010, 05:37 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	There are some differences in the tang construction of Javanese spears : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12310 The square tang is unusual to me; I admit to being puzzled . I don't believe I've seen a square tang on a Javanese spear; that's not saying much though . The head is firmly attached to the shaft, and not removable ?