Crowns on Aceh weapons revisited

erikscollectables · 2nd September 2010, 05:18 PM

The one does not have to exclude the other

I still think it is a money question but next to this these type of rentjongs were produced at least into the 40s for ceremonial use like on weddings etc from what I know. Wear still limited to those allowed by adat.

The silver handle I have has great detail - inlay with enamal in good quality and a diamond on top. That is late 19th or early 20th century IMHO. It is the second one in the link mentioned.

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Hi Erik,

I must say that the silver handle from Battara (in the link above) shows much less detail than similar handles in gold. So besides the lack of money maybe this silver rentjong is also from a later date ? (no offense intended, just imho)

Best regards,
Willem

Battara · 3rd September 2010, 02:16 AM

OH Asomotif, no offense taken. I would not be surprised if it were later. Perhaps a wedding rencong from an adjacent place. No idea. Guess I just want to know where my silver one would be in the pecking order of things since obviously the gold crowns signify at least high nobility.

Battara · 29th May 2011, 08:27 PM

Have another question regarding gold crowned rencong:

Are the scabbards supposed to have 2 gold bands on them?

Jonno · 29th May 2011, 09:33 PM

I have never seen gold bands, many silver and some suasa.
But I think it will be possible.

You can find some other examples on:
http://www.atchin.nl/Atchin/Atjeh_wa.../Rentjong.html

Battara · 30th May 2011, 12:22 AM

Thank you Jonno. Great site - yes I have seen one with suassa and several with silver. One gold crowned rencong on the site had 4 silver bands on it!

Very helpful.

erikscollectables · 30th May 2011, 03:43 PM

Hi,

In my experience the sheath is supposed to have no bands at all! They are repairs for sheaths that have problems. But repairs are quite common. The material used says something about the importance they gave to the repair is my opinion.

Regards, Erik

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Originally Posted by Battara

Thank you Jonno. Great site - yes I have seen one with suassa and several with silver. One gold crowned rencong on the site had 4 silver bands on it!

Very helpful.

Battara · 30th May 2011, 03:54 PM

Erik that too is helpful and less expensive!

3rd September 2010, 02:16 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	OH Asomotif, no offense taken. I would not be surprised if it were later. Perhaps a wedding rencong from an adjacent place. No idea. Guess I just want to know where my silver one would be in the pecking order of things since obviously the gold crowns signify at least high nobility.

29th May 2011, 08:27 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Have another question regarding gold crowned rencong: Are the scabbards supposed to have 2 gold bands on them?

29th May 2011, 09:33 PM	#4
Jonno Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 51	I have never seen gold bands, many silver and some suasa. But I think it will be possible. You can find some other examples on: http://www.atchin.nl/Atchin/Atjeh_wa.../Rentjong.html

30th May 2011, 12:22 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Thank you Jonno. Great site - yes I have seen one with suassa and several with silver. One gold crowned rencong on the site had 4 silver bands on it! Very helpful.

30th May 2011, 03:54 PM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Erik that too is helpful and less expensive!