Maces, Clubs & Others

[Tim Simmons]

Thank you , enough of boasting and pulling back from state regalia to items members are more likely to be able to afford. Even though this is European I had to have it. The Northern Nigerian chief pictured here must be class 4 or 3 as his mace is a little longer and has a small mace head on the top of the main one. Although not the finest work {I would expect} the crown and the lion and unicorn royal arms are hand repouse chased pieces.

P.S. having said that, perhaps the royal cypher is more important than the double mace head. Also so often with personal rank regalia, less is more?

P.P.S, Northern Nigeria protecterate lasted from 1900 -1914 being politically united with Southern Nigeria.

[Antique Arsenal]

Hi Everyone,
Can somebody please help me out with identifying the Items I have shown priveously.

Thanks,
Aleks

[junker]

Hi,
I didnt know that maces used in trench war.
Is ther any literature abuot it ?

Dirk

[junker]

Hi Aleks,

the spikes of the El Cid mace seem to be made on a lathe. Therefore i guess it is not old. May be for decorating about 1950 th.
But as i post i m not familiar with ww 1 maces.

Unless an interestin topic

Dirk

[graeme gt]

WW1 trench clubs top Austrian[i think] middle Brit made by Brigg London btm German not sure if its relevant to Ethno weapons but what the hell.

[Antique Arsenal]

Hi Junker,
Thanks for the response. I appreciate your help. I had couple of questions.
1) Are trenching clubs on the picture authentic WWI ones??
2) Do you think if it is better for me to ask about trenching club on the European Arms and Armour Forum??
3) Finally, do you know anything about the first item I posted (Mace like Horsetail Standard)???
Thanks,
Aleks

[Antique Arsenal]

Hi Junker,
Thanks for the response. I appreciate your help. I had couple of questions.
1) Are trenching clubs on the picture authentic WWI ones??
2) Do you think if it is better for me to ask about trenching club on the European Arms and Armour Forum??
3) Finally, do you know anything about the first item I posted (Mace like Horsetail Standard)???
Thanks,
Aleks

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by junker

Hi,
I didnt know that maces used in trench war.
Is ther any literature abuot it ?

Dirk

try googling on

trench (mace OR club)

lots of pics and some articles on them, also try googling trench warfare

[graeme gt]

Yes they are the real deal.

[VANDOO]

THE FIRST HORSE HAIR MACE YOU POSTED DOES APPEAR TO HAVE USED HORSE HAIR. A CLOSEUP OF THE DECORATIVE FABRIC PATTERNS AND THE BUTT OF THE ITEM MAY HELP IDENTIFY ITS ORIGINS. IF IT WAS A STANDARD THAT WAS CUT OFF IT SHOULD BE EVIDENT BY LOOKING AT THE BUTT END. I SEEM TO HAVE SEEN WOVEN FABRIC SIMULAR TO YOURS SOMEWHERE.
THE HAIR ON THE SECOND ITEM DOSEN'T APPEAR TO BE HORSE HAIR PERHAPS IT IS BOAR HAIR WHICH IS VERY COARSE AND BRISTELY. THE BONE COULD ALSO BE FROM A LARGE BOAR PERHAPS FROM GERMANY AS THEY ARE LARGE AND FIERCE AND HUNTED THERE FOR SPORT AND TROPHYS. OF COURSE HUMAN BONE SOUNDS MORE INTERESTING AND IF THAT WERE THE CASE PERHAPS THE HAIR IS HUMAN ALSO.

JUST TWO GUESSES AND A SUGGESTION

[Antique Arsenal]

Originally Posted by VANDOO

THE FIRST HORSE HAIR MACE YOU POSTED DOES APPEAR TO HAVE USED HORSE HAIR. A CLOSEUP OF THE DECORATIVE FABRIC PATTERNS AND THE BUTT OF THE ITEM MAY HELP IDENTIFY ITS ORIGINS. IF IT WAS A STANDARD THAT WAS CUT OFF IT SHOULD BE EVIDENT BY LOOKING AT THE BUTT END. I SEEM TO HAVE SEEN WOVEN FABRIC SIMULAR TO YOURS SOMEWHERE.
THE HAIR ON THE SECOND ITEM DOSEN'T APPEAR TO BE HORSE HAIR PERHAPS IT IS BOAR HAIR WHICH IS VERY COARSE AND BRISTELY. THE BONE COULD ALSO BE FROM A LARGE BOAR PERHAPS FROM GERMANY AS THEY ARE LARGE AND FIERCE AND HUNTED THERE FOR SPORT AND TROPHYS. OF COURSE HUMAN BONE SOUNDS MORE INTERESTING AND IF THAT WERE THE CASE PERHAPS THE HAIR IS HUMAN ALSO.

JUST TWO GUESSES AND A SUGGESTION

Thanks you Vandoo. I appreciate you oppinion.

Thanks,
Aleks

[Antique Arsenal]

Originally Posted by VANDOO

THE FIRST HORSE HAIR MACE YOU POSTED DOES APPEAR TO HAVE USED HORSE HAIR. A CLOSEUP OF THE DECORATIVE FABRIC PATTERNS AND THE BUTT OF THE ITEM MAY HELP IDENTIFY ITS ORIGINS. IF IT WAS A STANDARD THAT WAS CUT OFF IT SHOULD BE EVIDENT BY LOOKING AT THE BUTT END. I SEEM TO HAVE SEEN WOVEN FABRIC SIMULAR TO YOURS SOMEWHERE.
THE HAIR ON THE SECOND ITEM DOSEN'T APPEAR TO BE HORSE HAIR PERHAPS IT IS BOAR HAIR WHICH IS VERY COARSE AND BRISTELY. THE BONE COULD ALSO BE FROM A LARGE BOAR PERHAPS FROM GERMANY AS THEY ARE LARGE AND FIERCE AND HUNTED THERE FOR SPORT AND TROPHYS. OF COURSE HUMAN BONE SOUNDS MORE INTERESTING AND IF THAT WERE THE CASE PERHAPS THE HAIR IS HUMAN ALSO.

JUST TWO GUESSES AND A SUGGESTION

Vandoo what do you think regarding the decorations on the head. Do they resemble a European or Persian style?

Thanks,
Aleks