Origin of the Jawa Demam hilt form

Rick · 10th August 2010, 10:46 PM

Done, and thanks !

ganjawulung · 11th August 2010, 06:16 PM

Another example, almost similar -- but of course not the same -- as Alan's. A friend of mine, a Palembang origin gentleman, called this style of hilt as "Palembang Pagaralam" hilt. Simple form, almost like "natural" bending wood... According to this Palembang gentleman, Pagaralam style geographically from between Palembang (South Sumatra) and Padang (West Sumatra)...

Another thread, related to Jawa Demam discussion:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=jawa+demam

GANJAWULUNG

Aji™ · 16th August 2010, 02:00 AM

And i guess here's the link to the natural ones.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11822

ganjawulung · 17th August 2010, 09:31 PM

@Aji, Thanks for reminding me on the name of this hilt,

I am still tracing the original name of this kind of hilt, that you mentioned in another thread as "gana hilt". It could be possible that your information is correct, if we consider that the literaly meaning of "gana" is more or less, "a flock of lower grade of gods, or demigods which once believed to be Shiwa's follower, headed by ganesha..." according to PJ Zoetmulder & SO Robson...

As I mentioned another name, "pagaralam hilt" of course, if we consider the locality. It is more "geographical name", as my Sumatran friend called this type of hilt.

Pagaralam itself, is a semi-autonomous region in South Sumatra -- Between Palembang (South Sumatra) and Padang (West Sumatra). More precisely, Pagaralam is an 636.000 square meter autonomous region of Lahat, with a population of about 119.000 people. It consists of five districts: Dempo Selatan (or South Dempo), Dempo Tengah (Central Dempo), Dempo Utara (North Dempo), Pagaralam Selatan (South Pagaralam) and Pagaralam Utara (North Pagaralam).

This special South Sumatran region at the foot of Mt Dempo has a couple of archaeological sites, with more than 26 menhir sites (megalithicum sites), some sites of palaeolithical statues and at least 33 natural water falls... (according to a certain source).

Anyway, thanks a lot Aji, for your very useful info...

GANJAWULUNG

11th August 2010, 06:16 PM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Palembang Pagaralam Another example, almost similar -- but of course not the same -- as Alan's. A friend of mine, a Palembang origin gentleman, called this style of hilt as "Palembang Pagaralam" hilt. Simple form, almost like "natural" bending wood... According to this Palembang gentleman, Pagaralam style geographically from between Palembang (South Sumatra) and Padang (West Sumatra)... Another thread, related to Jawa Demam discussion: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=jawa+demam GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

16th August 2010, 02:00 AM	#3
Aji™ Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pulau Temasek Posts: 14	Natural And i guess here's the link to the natural ones. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11822

17th August 2010, 09:31 PM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	@Aji, Thanks for reminding me on the name of this hilt, I am still tracing the original name of this kind of hilt, that you mentioned in another thread as "gana hilt". It could be possible that your information is correct, if we consider that the literaly meaning of "gana" is more or less, "a flock of lower grade of gods, or demigods which once believed to be Shiwa's follower, headed by ganesha..." according to PJ Zoetmulder & SO Robson... As I mentioned another name, "pagaralam hilt" of course, if we consider the locality. It is more "geographical name", as my Sumatran friend called this type of hilt. Pagaralam itself, is a semi-autonomous region in South Sumatra -- Between Palembang (South Sumatra) and Padang (West Sumatra). More precisely, Pagaralam is an 636.000 square meter autonomous region of Lahat, with a population of about 119.000 people. It consists of five districts: Dempo Selatan (or South Dempo), Dempo Tengah (Central Dempo), Dempo Utara (North Dempo), Pagaralam Selatan (South Pagaralam) and Pagaralam Utara (North Pagaralam). This special South Sumatran region at the foot of Mt Dempo has a couple of archaeological sites, with more than 26 menhir sites (megalithicum sites), some sites of palaeolithical statues and at least 33 natural water falls... (according to a certain source). Anyway, thanks a lot Aji, for your very useful info... GANJAWULUNG Last edited by ganjawulung; 17th August 2010 at 09:49 PM.

10th August 2010, 10:46 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Done, and thanks !