Club info please

graeme gt · 9th August 2010, 11:31 AM

Great stuff Tim all i need from you now is how the Zulu wire work is done

Cheers

Tim Simmons · 29th November 2011, 06:17 PM

I now have one of these clubs. Sorry for the indoor pictures. I am thinking that there must be different regional models and possibly different fighting techniques of these clubs. I have seen these clubs with the stone head fixed with clay or other mastic. Also as illustrated in this thread, fixed with tapa cloth, but and most seen is this loose stone head. One can see that there is no trace of mastic of any kind. Just patination and some wear. I wonder if this is a two handed weapon to use the spike end. Held in general with the hands roughly the distance from the stone and the spike. Like this it would be possible to pick and swing at relativly close contact. The fact that the stone is not fixed is not a problem, the swing keeps the stone in place. The hands can easily be brought together at the spike end for the full distance swing of over 1m and arms length. Anyway I love it

Tim Simmons · 11th December 2011, 04:23 PM

graeme,

All the information we need about fixing the stone head is here.

http://vernon.qm.qld.gov.au:8080/sea...&highlight=13#

I doubt we could get any of the nut putty here. Would it be acceptable to make up an alternative black putty? Using wax+tree resin or shalac and charcoal dust ?

Finding this site made me look again with a x10 loop. On the inside of the stone a black residue can be found. Also small patches on the wood

fearn · 12th December 2011, 05:48 AM

Hi Tim,

I'd suggest that whatever you make for putty, you make it so that it's easy to dissolve later on.

Best,

F

junker · 12th December 2011, 05:07 PM

Hi,

that s life in its best.

This came to me three month ago here in germany, and i want to research about it in chrismas hollidays. And now here is a topic about it, great forum.

So, mine has no fixing at the stone.
I guess it is picked up around 1900 when the teritory was called Neupommern and was a german colony (1885-1914).

There were some more Spears and a bow with arrows coming with it. One bow an a club from afrika were named to pick up in Bagamayo in 1892. These african clup (knobkerrie) is the last photo here, the other items I will put in another tread.

Alle the best from germany

Dirk

Tim Simmons · 12th December 2011, 06:00 PM

Dirk thank you for joining.

I got mine from Germany as it happens. I am working my way round the German collections, this February is Hamburg. I will do Stuttgart as soon as thier usual ocanic display is back up. Here is a lot more information on the preperation and use of "Parinarium nut putty" these pages are from "An Ethnology of the Admiralty Islands, S. Ohnrmus, Hawaii university press" The last picture or the colour picture with the parinarium modeled bird is from "Admiralty Islands art from the south seas, museum rietberg zurich"

Just need some nuts.

junker · 12th December 2011, 06:13 PM

Hi Tim,

I am located in Berlin and there ist a big museum for ethnography. ( But there was no club like ours

). It will get a new location in 2017.

Hamburg was not so interesting, for thre was a renovation, when i visited it.

Leipzig, the grassi museum is great, for my opinion.

And Dresden is only a small part of the huge part open, only the asian part in the moment, but more than 80 % weapons. And there ist the Turkish Chamber as well in Dresden. This one is my favourite.

So a lot to see in germany, and i hope I can Visit some swiss museums sometime. This year I was in Coburg and Schloß Burgk for european weapons. Emden three years ago, and ...
So less time to see all

Dirk

29th November 2011, 06:17 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	I now have one of these clubs. Sorry for the indoor pictures. I am thinking that there must be different regional models and possibly different fighting techniques of these clubs. I have seen these clubs with the stone head fixed with clay or other mastic. Also as illustrated in this thread, fixed with tapa cloth, but and most seen is this loose stone head. One can see that there is no trace of mastic of any kind. Just patination and some wear. I wonder if this is a two handed weapon to use the spike end. Held in general with the hands roughly the distance from the stone and the spike. Like this it would be possible to pick and swing at relativly close contact. The fact that the stone is not fixed is not a problem, the swing keeps the stone in place. The hands can easily be brought together at the spike end for the full distance swing of over 1m and arms length. Anyway I love it Attached Images

12th December 2011, 05:07 PM	#5
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	my club Hi, that s life in its best. This came to me three month ago here in germany, and i want to research about it in chrismas hollidays. And now here is a topic about it, great forum. So, mine has no fixing at the stone. I guess it is picked up around 1900 when the teritory was called Neupommern and was a german colony (1885-1914). There were some more Spears and a bow with arrows coming with it. One bow an a club from afrika were named to pick up in Bagamayo in 1892. These african clup (knobkerrie) is the last photo here, the other items I will put in another tread. Alle the best from germany Dirk Attached Images

12th December 2011, 06:00 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	Dirk thank you for joining. I got mine from Germany as it happens. I am working my way round the German collections, this February is Hamburg. I will do Stuttgart as soon as thier usual ocanic display is back up. Here is a lot more information on the preperation and use of "Parinarium nut putty" these pages are from "An Ethnology of the Admiralty Islands, S. Ohnrmus, Hawaii university press" The last picture or the colour picture with the parinarium modeled bird is from "Admiralty Islands art from the south seas, museum rietberg zurich" Just need some nuts. Attached Images

12th December 2011, 06:13 PM	#7
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	museums germany Hi Tim, I am located in Berlin and there ist a big museum for ethnography. ( But there was no club like ours ). It will get a new location in 2017. Hamburg was not so interesting, for thre was a renovation, when i visited it. Leipzig, the grassi museum is great, for my opinion. And Dresden is only a small part of the huge part open, only the asian part in the moment, but more than 80 % weapons. And there ist the Turkish Chamber as well in Dresden. This one is my favourite. So a lot to see in germany, and i hope I can Visit some swiss museums sometime. This year I was in Coburg and Schloß Burgk for european weapons. Emden three years ago, and ... So less time to see all Dirk

9th August 2010, 11:31 AM	#1
graeme gt Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 97	Great stuff Tim all i need from you now is how the Zulu wire work is done Cheers

11th December 2011, 04:23 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	graeme, All the information we need about fixing the stone head is here. http://vernon.qm.qld.gov.au:8080/sea...&highlight=13# I doubt we could get any of the nut putty here. Would it be acceptable to make up an alternative black putty? Using wax+tree resin or shalac and charcoal dust ? Finding this site made me look again with a x10 loop. On the inside of the stone a black residue can be found. Also small patches on the wood

12th December 2011, 05:48 AM	#4
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Tim, I'd suggest that whatever you make for putty, you make it so that it's easy to dissolve later on. Best, F