A sword and a uniform

Norman McCormick · 8th August 2010, 06:56 PM

Hi,
Neither the uniform, the sword nor the medals look like anything I can recall
as being part of a British military ensemble. Continental Europe I suspect.
Regards,
Norman.

Michel · 8th August 2010, 09:33 PM

Thanks to every one,
I think we are progressing.
No it does not have to be a British officer: the identification was done by my mother who had a tendency to write what she believed to be correct rather than checking if it was possible.
We have also officers in the Dutch armies, including some Col and at least one General.
If Dmitry is correct, the gentlemen could be wearing a sword with a French look.

What about the uniform ?
Could it be Dutch ?
Regards
Michel

kronckew · 8th August 2010, 11:59 PM

i'd concentrate on the medals, the one around his neck looks distinctive, appears to be a five lobed maltese cross with a crown above it. the smaller breast maltese cross with a crown and ribbon has a distinctive ribbon bar at the top of it. it doesn't appear to have five lobes like the previous post suggests.

Norman McCormick · 9th August 2010, 12:53 PM

Hi,
I should have made it clearer, it was the suspension rather than the decoration itself that I was alluding to. That type of gathered ribbon suspension would suggest to me France, Belgium perhaps the Netherlands as well. It is in France particularly that I can recollect having seen that method of suspension but I could be mistaken, will not be the first time, and there may well be others.
Regards,
Norman.
P.S. The uniform suggests to me mid 19thC, a search on the net of photographs
e.g. from the Crimean War may produce a clue.

fernando · 9th August 2010, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

... e.g. from the Crimean War may produce a clue.

I had been there; couldn't find a similar uniform ... for myself

Besides, there might be differences between field (campaign) and ceremony outfits.

http://www.allworldwars.com/Crimean...enton-1855.html

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Michel · 9th August 2010, 05:34 PM

Hi,
I followed Norman McCormick suggestion and went to the Crimean war Photos.
Not much success. In fact, I now think that Norman is correct: not a British uniform. But I found all sorts of uniform with one row of buttons as well as 2 rows. Now look at Lt.Gal. Sir George de Lacy Evans. (Crimean war) he certainly does not have the same suspension of decoration, but his decorations are similar (?) to those of my Officer !
I have made very little progress with the Dutch armies, as I have not found any dutch uniforms with photos.
Thanks to all, I made some progress !
Regards
Michel

Norman McCormick · 9th August 2010, 06:40 PM

Hi Michel,
Another possibility might be to search for images from the Franco-Prussian War and other 19thC conflicts involving continental European armies e.g. colonial wars.
My Regards,
Norman.

9th August 2010, 05:34 PM	#6
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Hi, I followed Norman McCormick suggestion and went to the Crimean war Photos. Not much success. In fact, I now think that Norman is correct: not a British uniform. But I found all sorts of uniform with one row of buttons as well as 2 rows. Now look at Lt.Gal. Sir George de Lacy Evans. (Crimean war) he certainly does not have the same suspension of decoration, but his decorations are similar (?) to those of my Officer ! I have made very little progress with the Dutch armies, as I have not found any dutch uniforms with photos. Thanks to all, I made some progress ! Regards Michel Attached Images

8th August 2010, 06:56 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi, Neither the uniform, the sword nor the medals look like anything I can recall as being part of a British military ensemble. Continental Europe I suspect. Regards, Norman.

8th August 2010, 09:33 PM	#2
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	Thanks to every one, I think we are progressing. No it does not have to be a British officer: the identification was done by my mother who had a tendency to write what she believed to be correct rather than checking if it was possible. We have also officers in the Dutch armies, including some Col and at least one General. If Dmitry is correct, the gentlemen could be wearing a sword with a French look. What about the uniform ? Could it be Dutch ? Regards Michel

8th August 2010, 11:59 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	i'd concentrate on the medals, the one around his neck looks distinctive, appears to be a five lobed maltese cross with a crown above it. the smaller breast maltese cross with a crown and ribbon has a distinctive ribbon bar at the top of it. it doesn't appear to have five lobes like the previous post suggests.

9th August 2010, 12:53 PM	#4
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi, I should have made it clearer, it was the suspension rather than the decoration itself that I was alluding to. That type of gathered ribbon suspension would suggest to me France, Belgium perhaps the Netherlands as well. It is in France particularly that I can recollect having seen that method of suspension but I could be mistaken, will not be the first time, and there may well be others. Regards, Norman. P.S. The uniform suggests to me mid 19thC, a search on the net of photographs e.g. from the Crimean War may produce a clue.

9th August 2010, 06:40 PM	#7
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi Michel, Another possibility might be to search for images from the Franco-Prussian War and other 19thC conflicts involving continental European armies e.g. colonial wars. My Regards, Norman.