Falchion with the Passau wolf.

M ELEY · 6th August 2010, 04:27 AM

Well, Dmitry, don't just keep us in suspense!!

Dmitry · 6th August 2010, 05:18 AM

Well, if you insist. It is a Dutch cryptic phrase, and a university-trained linguist came up with this transcription -
Hallo, mijn naam is Shaver Cool, en dit is wat ik eruit nadat ik uit de douche.

Looks like my fancy European falchion theory is bunk.
Truth be told, after perusing this site, looks like it might be a Parang Nabur, akin to the pieces displayed in this thread -
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=parang+nabur

The similarities in the guard construction and the blade form are strong.
IMHO, the inscription might be an attempt to imitate the European talismanic inscriptions, as is the amoeba-like creature. Who made it, when, and for who, I have no idea.

I think it's time to enlist the experts from the Ethnographic Weapons section.

I am especially thankful to RSWORD for pointing me to the direction of the Dutch East Indies.

kai · 6th August 2010, 07:40 AM

This is certainly not a Beladah Belabang, the correct name for the Negara sword misidentified by Stone as a "Parang Nabur" (the name being based on the Niabor of the Iban). I don't see any similarities to Bornean swords (nor Malay/Indonesian in general either).

There are semblances to what has been referred to as bathead(-pommel) Batangas sword/bolo and which likely comes from the southern Luzon region (Bizol currently being the top contender but AFAIK no sure provenance has been established for any of the 19th century pieces yet).

The piece discussed in this thread has a blade shape which seems to differ from the typical bathead-pommel swords (less curved blade, narrower tip, prominent protrusion at the base) and I'd be weary to positively identify it as such (given that there's also not the typical hilt style). 20th century blades from Bizol as shown by Zel seem to come in a variety of shapes and hilt types and a later date would also make the combination with a rather generic D-guard hilt (possibly Filipino with European influences) more likely.

Regards,
Kai

Rick · 6th August 2010, 03:04 PM

I would interpret the 'Passau Wolf' mark more as a representation of a stinging insect .

I see legs on both sides of this mark .

Jim McDougall · 6th August 2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

I would interpret the 'Passau Wolf' mark more as a representation of a stinging insect .

I see legs on both sides of this mark .

Im with you somewhat on that Rick, and in the Boccia reference and others the 'scorpion' mark appears, though it is a pretty Picasso-esque reach for this amoeba looking thing to match up with these scorpions. The little lines could represent legs, but the position is really bizarre.

Dmitry · 7th August 2010, 01:44 AM

So, doctors of entomology, have we reached the consensus on the origins of this fly-catcher?

Philippines?

Rick · 7th August 2010, 04:13 AM

" Hallo, mijn naam is Shaver Cool, en dit is wat ik eruit nadat ik uit de douche."

Not so sure I want to run this through GooGle Translate Dmitry .

This insect-like mark I seem to recall having seen on Philippine blades before .

6th August 2010, 05:18 AM	#2
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Well, if you insist. It is a Dutch cryptic phrase, and a university-trained linguist came up with this transcription - Hallo, mijn naam is Shaver Cool, en dit is wat ik eruit nadat ik uit de douche. Looks like my fancy European falchion theory is bunk. Truth be told, after perusing this site, looks like it might be a Parang Nabur, akin to the pieces displayed in this thread - http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=parang+nabur The similarities in the guard construction and the blade form are strong. IMHO, the inscription might be an attempt to imitate the European talismanic inscriptions, as is the amoeba-like creature. Who made it, when, and for who, I have no idea. I think it's time to enlist the experts from the Ethnographic Weapons section. I am especially thankful to RSWORD for pointing me to the direction of the Dutch East Indies. Last edited by Dmitry; 6th August 2010 at 07:53 AM.

6th August 2010, 07:40 AM	#3
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	It's a sundang... ;) This is certainly not a Beladah Belabang, the correct name for the Negara sword misidentified by Stone as a "Parang Nabur" (the name being based on the Niabor of the Iban). I don't see any similarities to Bornean swords (nor Malay/Indonesian in general either). There are semblances to what has been referred to as bathead(-pommel) Batangas sword/bolo and which likely comes from the southern Luzon region (Bizol currently being the top contender but AFAIK no sure provenance has been established for any of the 19th century pieces yet). The piece discussed in this thread has a blade shape which seems to differ from the typical bathead-pommel swords (less curved blade, narrower tip, prominent protrusion at the base) and I'd be weary to positively identify it as such (given that there's also not the typical hilt style). 20th century blades from Bizol as shown by Zel seem to come in a variety of shapes and hilt types and a later date would also make the combination with a rather generic D-guard hilt (possibly Filipino with European influences) more likely. Regards, Kai

6th August 2010, 03:04 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Scorpion ? I would interpret the 'Passau Wolf' mark more as a representation of a stinging insect . I see legs on both sides of this mark .

6th August 2010, 04:27 AM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Well, Dmitry, don't just keep us in suspense!!

7th August 2010, 01:44 AM	#6
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	So, doctors of entomology, have we reached the consensus on the origins of this fly-catcher? Philippines?

7th August 2010, 04:13 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	" Hallo, mijn naam is Shaver Cool, en dit is wat ik eruit nadat ik uit de douche." Not so sure I want to run this through GooGle Translate Dmitry . This insect-like mark I seem to recall having seen on Philippine blades before .