Unusual Balkan? Dagger

Dmitry · 25th July 2010, 03:42 PM

Just a small correction - it's knife, not a dagger.

Rick · 25th July 2010, 03:59 PM

Atlantia · 25th July 2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Hi Rick,
Where's that one hail from?
Is anyone an aficionado of the extended 'Bichaq' family's finer nuances around here?

Rick · 25th July 2010, 06:30 PM

Hi, it's purported to be Bosnian IIRC .
Note the metal studs .

My only Bichaq .

A nice link on this :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=bichaq

Atlantia · 25th July 2010, 09:50 PM

Hi Rick,
We're kinda back to where I started with it

Balkan (possibly) but the hilt is of a type I've not seen on these.
The ones in the thread you linky'd are not quite the same......
Any thoughts?
You have a nice example there, love the hilt shape.

Rick · 26th July 2010, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Rick,
We're kinda back to where I started with it

Balkan (possibly) but the hilt is of a type I've not seen on these.
The ones in the thread you linky'd are not quite the same......
Any thoughts?
You have a nice example there, love the hilt shape.

See post #23 :
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=bichaq
I think these are close enough, no ?

Ask the poster .

kronckew · 26th July 2010, 10:52 AM

greece is of course part of the balkans....

Countries which are geographically fully located within the Balkan peninsula:

* Albania
* Bosnia and Herzegovina
* Bulgaria
* Greece
* Kosovo
* Macedonia
* Montenegro

Countries which are significantly located on the peninsula:

* Serbia (Central Serbia, partially Belgrade region; comprises around 2/3 of country's territory)
* Croatia (around 1/2 of overall territory)
* Slovenia (around 1/3 of overall territory)

Countries which are located mostly outside the peninsula:

* Romania (6% of its territory, comprising Northern Dobruja)
* Turkey (3% of its territory, comprising Eastern Thrace)
* Italy (small part around the city of Trieste)

Atlantia · 25th July 2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmitry

Just a small correction - it's knife, not a dagger.

Potato, potAto

Dmitry · 25th July 2010, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Potato, potAto

There's no difference between a knife and a dagger then...

Atlantia · 25th July 2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmitry

There's no difference between a knife and a dagger then...

Well, for sure the vast majority of daggers are knives, and some knives are daggers

Dictionary definitions seem fairly similar:
'Short pointed knife: a short pointed knife used as a weapon' (Encarta)
'Stabbing weapon with short pointed and edged blade' (Oxford)

Obviously the item in question IS a knife, but to me it goes without saying that it's a dagger also.
So either designation is technically correct in my view.

Dmitry · 25th July 2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Well, for sure the vast majority of daggers are knives, and some knives are daggers

Dictionary definitions seem fairly similar:
'Short pointed knife: a short pointed knife used as a weapon' (Encarta)
'Stabbing weapon with short pointed and edged blade' (Oxford)

Obviously the item in question IS a knife, but to me it goes without saying that it's a dagger also.
So either designation is technically correct in my view.

This "piece" has one cutting edge. Therefore it is a knife, not a dagger.

Atlantia · 25th July 2010, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmitry

This "piece" has one cutting edge. Therefore it is a knife, not a dagger.

Many daggers are single edged, how is that relevant?
If it's purpose is also or solely to be used as a stabbing weapon, then it fits the criteria. Like a Kard, or a Tanto, or a Choora etc.
Also, if you really feel the need to re-open this symantics debate, would you mind starting a thread of your own so as to not derail this one.
I'll be happy to offer my opinion there.

Dmitry · 26th July 2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Atlantia

Many daggers are single edged, how is that relevant?

No single-edged daggers come to my mind at the moment.

25th July 2010, 06:30 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Hi, it's purported to be Bosnian IIRC . Note the metal studs . My only Bichaq . A nice link on this : http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=bichaq Last edited by Rick; 25th July 2010 at 06:46 PM.

25th July 2010, 09:50 PM	#5
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hi Rick, We're kinda back to where I started with it Balkan (possibly) but the hilt is of a type I've not seen on these. The ones in the thread you linky'd are not quite the same...... Any thoughts? You have a nice example there, love the hilt shape. Last edited by Atlantia; 25th July 2010 at 10:57 PM.

25th July 2010, 03:42 PM	#1
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Just a small correction - it's knife, not a dagger.

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26th July 2010, 10:52 AM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	greece is of course part of the balkans.... Countries which are geographically fully located within the Balkan peninsula: * Albania * Bosnia and Herzegovina * Bulgaria * Greece * Kosovo * Macedonia * Montenegro Countries which are significantly located on the peninsula: * Serbia (Central Serbia, partially Belgrade region; comprises around 2/3 of country's territory) * Croatia (around 1/2 of overall territory) * Slovenia (around 1/3 of overall territory) Countries which are located mostly outside the peninsula: * Romania (6% of its territory, comprising Northern Dobruja) * Turkey (3% of its territory, comprising Eastern Thrace) * Italy (small part around the city of Trieste)