Nias Keris (?)

[Sajen]

Hello,

I just want to add a thought. I have seen some Siraui in Keris like sheaths and nobody will call them keris only because the similar sheat so why we want to call Si Eulis Nias Keris because some come with a Keris like sheath?
And don't foget the main different between keris and other daggers: A keris have a gonjo! And I don't remember to have seen a Si Euli with a gonjo.

Detlef

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello,

I just want to add a thought. I have seen some Siraui in Keris like sheaths and nobody will call them keris only because the similar sheat so why we want to call Si Eulis Nias Keris because some come with a Keris like sheath?
And don't foget the main different between keris and other daggers: A keris have a gonjo! And I don't remember to have seen a Si Euli with a gonjo.

Detlef

Hi Sajen,

I don't think the real question in situ here is if we must call a Si euli with a keris like scabbard a keris or a Si Euli.
I think what Alam Shah wanted to know if kerisses where also made on Nias or not and if there's any Keris culture on the island or not, but correct me if I'm wrong............

[David]

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

I don't think the real question in situ here is if we must call a Si euli with a keris like scabbard a keris or a Si Euli.
I think what Alam Shah wanted to know if kerisses where also made on Nias or not and if there's any Keris culture on the island or not, but correct me if I'm wrong............

It seems to me that if this conversation is to continue that this is the direction it should take. This is, after all, a forum dedicated to the keris. Let's direct this discussion then towards actual Nias keris, not siraui of other weapons of the region.

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by David

It seems to me that if this conversation is to continue that this is the direction it should take. This is, after all, a forum dedicated to the keris. Let's direct this discussion then towards actual Nias keris, not siraui of other weapons of the region.

Oooh that way, I changed my mind, its a keris of course!

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by David

It seems to me that if this conversation is to continue that this is the direction it should take. This is, after all, a forum dedicated to the keris. Let's direct this discussion then towards actual Nias keris, not siraui of other weapons of the region.

I believe what others are trying to say here are, the relations of the 'Nias Keris' form, the blade and sheath. Adding a little about the cultures in Nias.. the extend of outside influence with the culture.. the form of its weapons - (to established if Keris is one of the weapon used), still within the parameters of a keris discussion..

As mentioned, it is believed to be a status wear (out of fancy, oddity), rather than a culture. Perhaps when it's listed in the Ensiklopedi Keris as a keris, many imitations and wannabes starts to appear..

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi Sajen,

I don't think the real question in situ here is if we must call a Si euli with a keris like scabbard a keris or a Si Euli.
I think what Alam Shah wanted to know if kerisses where also made on Nias or not and if there's any Keris culture on the island or not, but correct me if I'm wrong............

Of course you are correct! And what I want to say is that on Nias don't have been a Keris culture since this blades lacks all features a keris blade normally have and the only similarity is the sheat.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by Sajen

.. I just want to add a thought. I have seen some Siraui in Keris like sheaths and nobody will call them keris only because the similar sheat so why we want to call Si Eulis Nias Keris because some come with a Keris like sheath?

And don't foget the main different between keris and other daggers: A keris have a gonjo! And I don't remember to have seen a Si Euli with a gonjo.

Detlef

As we know, the primary focus is the blade, the sheath and fittings are secondary. If the blade is like those posted in #13 & #18, then it's not a keris, no matter what is is called locally..

As for the Siraui, the blade itself is not, although the sheath, does looks like a gayaman styled keris sheath, to a certain extent.

[SwordZ]

Hi all,

I tought i have another "keris like object" , it DOES have gonjo, nias keris ?
frankly said, i interested on the mollar hilt

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by SwordZ

Hi all,

I tought i have another "keris like object" , it DOES have gonjo, nias keris ?
frankly said, i interested on the mollar hilt

Well, almost, but it seem that the workshop guys in Indonesia know what we wanna have, extremely scarce models with scarce hilts....

made for a few dollar, and when sold in their store,seller asks maker, come lets make more............

[asomotif]

"keris like object"

Maybe we can focus on the historical objects that where made for traditional use on Nias.
Exhibiting modern forgeries and/or imitations does not add much to this thread.

[Mytribalworld]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Maybe we can focus on the historical objects that where made for traditional use on Nias.
Exhibiting modern forgeries and/or imitations does not add much to this thread.

Hi Willem,

A nice suggestion but as this is a keris thread we are not allowed to do that.
And as we have seen that Nias kerisses are as scarce as bad Dutch soccerplayers, I think this thread is almost completed....

[David]

Originally Posted by mandaukudi

Hi Willem,

A nice suggestion but as this is a keris thread we are not allowed to do that.
And as we have seen that Nias kerisses are as scarce as bad Dutch soccerplayers, I think this thread is almost completed....

I pretty much agree with that. I think this thread needs keris content soon or it's pretty much done.