keris bugis

Sajen · 6th June 2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hanggoye

thanks marco...any idea what type of pamor is this??

The pamor is not clearly to seen at your pictures. Is it similar with this one?

PenangsangII · 7th June 2010, 04:38 AM

salam hormat,

Hanggoye's keris looks like an attempt to create "kedakan" effect of the blade pamor surface. However, the "kedakan" effect on mostly Jawanese blade, is different than this example. The Jawanese kedakan effect is smooth on the surface, but the effect can be seen like wavy pattern.

IMHO, a "confused" way to create pamor kedakan is by filing the blade across the blade, and the effect is the blade's surface becomes wavy.....

ganjawulung · 7th June 2010, 11:40 PM

We call it, "pamor tritikan" or known by most of keris people in Jawa as "untu walang" (I don't know why they call it as "grass hopper teeth" like this...). What is in Bugis term? Or Malay term?

GANJAWULUNG

BluErf · 8th June 2010, 11:37 AM

I hear people say 'gigi yul'.

Alam Shah · 9th June 2010, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

I hear people say 'gigi yul'.

In Malay, it's called 'gigi yu', (sharks's teeth)..

PenangsangII, I do not understand what is 'kedakan'? Perhaps you may want to elaborate it. Thanks.

PenangsangII · 10th June 2010, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

In Malay, it's called 'gigi yu', (sharks's teeth)..

PenangsangII, I do not understand what is 'kedakan'? Perhaps you may want to elaborate it. Thanks.

kedakan is a method of creating wavy look on smooth blade surface... the pamor materian and iron are hammered from certain position (unlike the normally downward strike) to create some kind of folding look, and file it again so that the blade surface is even. So, it only looks wavy but the surface is even/smooth.

Alam Shah · 11th June 2010, 01:41 PM

Thanks PenangsangII for the info..

BluErf · 12th June 2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

In Malay, it's called 'gigi yu', (sharks's teeth)..

Ack!

Thanks for pointing out correct spelling.

Moshah · 12th June 2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

The Jawanese kedakan effect is smooth on the surface, but the effect can be seen like wavy pattern..

Agreed...Javanese / Palembang kedakan looks like it has a "bumpy" surface but it is definitely smooth to the touch. It is like a color tricks.

7th June 2010, 11:40 PM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	We call it, "pamor tritikan" or known by most of keris people in Jawa as "untu walang" (I don't know why they call it as "grass hopper teeth" like this...). What is in Bugis term? Or Malay term? GANJAWULUNG Last edited by ganjawulung; 8th June 2010 at 03:16 AM.

7th June 2010, 04:38 AM	#2
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	salam hormat, Hanggoye's keris looks like an attempt to create "kedakan" effect of the blade pamor surface. However, the "kedakan" effect on mostly Jawanese blade, is different than this example. The Jawanese kedakan effect is smooth on the surface, but the effect can be seen like wavy pattern. IMHO, a "confused" way to create pamor kedakan is by filing the blade across the blade, and the effect is the blade's surface becomes wavy.....

8th June 2010, 11:37 AM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I hear people say 'gigi yul'.

11th June 2010, 01:41 PM	#7
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Thanks PenangsangII for the info..