Origin of my "mystery keris"

kulbuntet · 19th April 2010, 12:17 PM

I think its a good one. Genuine and not realy suspicious, maybe it have been etched. But i have seen much worse on some old blades(seen below). Yours is Dapur Senkelat? Iff you dont want it anny more...I can PM you my adres..

Greybeard · 19th April 2010, 01:06 PM

Hello Kulbuntet,

Thank you. I was never really sure about the authenticity, the origin, and the age of this blade, but I've always liked it. I would just like to learn a little bit about it, and I think I'll keep it for awhile. Its dapur might be Parungsari (has two lambe gajah).

Regards,

Heinz

sirek · 19th April 2010, 06:53 PM

interesting,
I can see some resemblance(s) between Heinz and my own keris
it looks very similar
-heavy, thick blade and deep sogokan
-Greneng and jenggot are very sharp and distinct
-central ridge
-Length without pesi: 35 cm

what also struck me is the bright/Clear sound when you tap against it.

I would like to hear your opinion, or someone who can give a comment on it.

any comment is welcome

Greybeard · 20th April 2010, 05:49 AM

Hello Sirek,

You have a very nice keris which is indeed very similar to mine, but it is apparently in better condition. Could the pamor of your keris be kelap lintah?
Unfortunately, mine does not make a particularly nice sound when tapping against it ...

Regards,

Heinz

Gustav · 20th April 2010, 12:03 PM

Apparently this thread is a wonderful ilustration of what Alan mentioned under "opinion", informed or uninformed, in the thread Sabuk Inten, and also about using Javanese terminology.

I just have a feeling, if I wood say something what I think about these 2 keris, it would be like a blind man guiding another blind men, excuse me please. It seems to me also, I am not the only one with this feeling, regarding the number of people who visited this thread and the number of responses.

The only thing, these two keris to me are similar just as two Luk 13 with nearly the same Ricikan are, thats all.

Greybeard · 20th April 2010, 12:55 PM

Dear Gustav,

O.k., I must admit that I'm still a relatively new and thus "uninformed" keris collector with "uninformed" opinions. It would, therefore, be most appreciated if you experienced and informed collectors would enlighten us and share your valuable informed opinions with us. So we can learn something and become informed collectors with informed opinions, too!

Thank you and best regards,

Heinz

A. G. Maisey · 20th April 2010, 01:03 PM

Gentlemen, I have taken the liberty of doing a little bit of alteration to the way in which the images of these keris were presented.

What you see now is the orientation that I , and probably most other keris conscious people need to enable us to make relevant comments on a blade:- the blade should be upright and the gandik should be to the viewer's left. I have resized the images to a height of 600 pixels, this size will usually let us see the complete image in one viewing, without scrolling.

However, as has been pointed out in another current thread, we are not looking at keris, we are looking at images of keris.

Those images represent the keris, and we try to get some sort of an idea of what the real keris actually looks like from that image.

If the image is not a true representation of the keris, it becomes virtually impossible to draw supportable conclusions

Regretably neither of these keris have been photographed in a way that makes supportable comment possible --- well, at least I can't make any comment that I can support.

The images need to be produced with the camera focussed on about the middle of the blade and at 90 degrees to it, that way you get an image that retains the true proportions of the blade.

Greybeard has mentioned that the image of his keris became distorted during processing. This distortion makes it very difficult for us to get any sort of a clear idea of what sort of blade it is that we are looking at.

Sirek appears to have photographed his keris with the camera pointed along the blade, rather than mid-blade at 90 degrees.By photographing at this angle, the proportions of the blade are also distorted.

I would guess that many of us have some ideas about these blades, but if others are like me, nobody is going to commit himself to an opinion because there is insufficent accuracy in the images to be able to say too much about these blades with any degree of certainty.

Greybeard · 20th April 2010, 01:16 PM

Thank you, Alan. I see the problem now.

Heinz

19th April 2010, 06:53 PM	#3
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170	interesting, I can see some resemblance(s) between Heinz and my own keris it looks very similar -heavy, thick blade and deep sogokan -Greneng and jenggot are very sharp and distinct -central ridge -Length without pesi: 35 cm what also struck me is the bright/Clear sound when you tap against it. I would like to hear your opinion, or someone who can give a comment on it. any comment is welcome Attached Images

20th April 2010, 12:03 PM	#5
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Apparently this thread is a wonderful ilustration of what Alan mentioned under "opinion", informed or uninformed, in the thread Sabuk Inten, and also about using Javanese terminology. I just have a feeling, if I wood say something what I think about these 2 keris, it would be like a blind man guiding another blind men, excuse me please. It seems to me also, I am not the only one with this feeling, regarding the number of people who visited this thread and the number of responses. The only thing, these two keris to me are similar just as two Luk 13 with nearly the same Ricikan are, thats all. Last edited by Gustav; 20th April 2010 at 10:52 PM. Reason: "about"

20th April 2010, 01:03 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Gentlemen, I have taken the liberty of doing a little bit of alteration to the way in which the images of these keris were presented. What you see now is the orientation that I , and probably most other keris conscious people need to enable us to make relevant comments on a blade:- the blade should be upright and the gandik should be to the viewer's left. I have resized the images to a height of 600 pixels, this size will usually let us see the complete image in one viewing, without scrolling. However, as has been pointed out in another current thread, we are not looking at keris, we are looking at images of keris. Those images represent the keris, and we try to get some sort of an idea of what the real keris actually looks like from that image. If the image is not a true representation of the keris, it becomes virtually impossible to draw supportable conclusions Regretably neither of these keris have been photographed in a way that makes supportable comment possible --- well, at least I can't make any comment that I can support. The images need to be produced with the camera focussed on about the middle of the blade and at 90 degrees to it, that way you get an image that retains the true proportions of the blade. Greybeard has mentioned that the image of his keris became distorted during processing. This distortion makes it very difficult for us to get any sort of a clear idea of what sort of blade it is that we are looking at. Sirek appears to have photographed his keris with the camera pointed along the blade, rather than mid-blade at 90 degrees.By photographing at this angle, the proportions of the blade are also distorted. I would guess that many of us have some ideas about these blades, but if others are like me, nobody is going to commit himself to an opinion because there is insufficent accuracy in the images to be able to say too much about these blades with any degree of certainty. Attached Images

19th April 2010, 12:17 PM	#1
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	I think its a good one. Genuine and not realy suspicious, maybe it have been etched. But i have seen much worse on some old blades(seen below). Yours is Dapur Senkelat? Iff you dont want it anny more...I can PM you my adres..

19th April 2010, 01:06 PM	#2
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Hello Kulbuntet, Thank you. I was never really sure about the authenticity, the origin, and the age of this blade, but I've always liked it. I would just like to learn a little bit about it, and I think I'll keep it for awhile. Its dapur might be Parungsari (has two lambe gajah). Regards, Heinz

20th April 2010, 05:49 AM	#4
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Hello Sirek, You have a very nice keris which is indeed very similar to mine, but it is apparently in better condition. Could the pamor of your keris be kelap lintah? Unfortunately, mine does not make a particularly nice sound when tapping against it ... Regards, Heinz

20th April 2010, 12:55 PM	#6
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Dear Gustav, O.k., I must admit that I'm still a relatively new and thus "uninformed" keris collector with "uninformed" opinions. It would, therefore, be most appreciated if you experienced and informed collectors would enlighten us and share your valuable informed opinions with us. So we can learn something and become informed collectors with informed opinions, too! Thank you and best regards, Heinz

20th April 2010, 01:16 PM	#8
Greybeard Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Switzerland Posts: 124	Thank you, Alan. I see the problem now. Heinz