Dapur and Tangguh?

brekele · 10th June 2007, 08:31 AM

Hi all, Good morning.
Could you Guys please teach/tell me about DAPUR and TANGGUH of this Keris?
Thank you

brekele.

Newsteel · 13th June 2007, 03:00 AM

Hi brekele,

Pardon me but this looks like a modified piece. Or shall I called this keris owah-owahan. Where a real old keris has been modified or changed way out from its dapur pakem (blueprint design).

Sorry, not possible to identify the tangguh.

ganjawulung · 13th June 2007, 08:59 AM

Brekele,

Idem dito with Newsteel. Your keris is old blade, but modified. Look at the proportion, a little bit too short isn't it?

Ganjawulung

brekele · 13th June 2007, 10:04 AM

newsteel, thanks for your informations. even until now i stil dont know owah-owahan means in keris knowlegde? i only can guess.
ganjawulung, yes...it is true that the keris is a bit too short.

ganjawulung · 13th June 2007, 10:42 AM

Brekele,

"Owah-owahan" what Newsteel said, is a specific term in Javanese keris to call such certain actions of modificating old kerises. It can be just crafting the original blade with "krawangan" (carving through the blade) or even change the form -- for instance: from original straight keris to keris with luks, via heat treatment like making new kerises, hammering with wood hammer on hot old keris blade to make luks.

It is different with Solonese (Surakarta) term of "mbesut" or "besutan". If someone "mbesut keris" or someone's keris is a "keris besutan", it means that the keris has been beautified without changing the form. In Solo, you may "mbesut" old kerises which much corrosion to make it more beatiful. (People of Yogyakarta, the neighbouring city, usually keep the keris as it is, although much corrosion or damage. Different habitude with Solo).

That is what I know...

Ganjawulung

brekele · 17th June 2007, 06:18 PM

Thank YOU Ganjawulung

10th June 2007, 08:31 AM	#1
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Dapur and Tangguh? Hi all, Good morning. Could you Guys please teach/tell me about DAPUR and TANGGUH of this Keris? Thank you brekele. Attached Images

13th June 2007, 10:42 AM	#5
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Keris Besutan or Owah-owahan Brekele, "Owah-owahan" what Newsteel said, is a specific term in Javanese keris to call such certain actions of modificating old kerises. It can be just crafting the original blade with "krawangan" (carving through the blade) or even change the form -- for instance: from original straight keris to keris with luks, via heat treatment like making new kerises, hammering with wood hammer on hot old keris blade to make luks. It is different with Solonese (Surakarta) term of "mbesut" or "besutan". If someone "mbesut keris" or someone's keris is a "keris besutan", it means that the keris has been beautified without changing the form. In Solo, you may "mbesut" old kerises which much corrosion to make it more beatiful. (People of Yogyakarta, the neighbouring city, usually keep the keris as it is, although much corrosion or damage. Different habitude with Solo). That is what I know... Ganjawulung

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13th June 2007, 03:00 AM	#2
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	Hi brekele, Pardon me but this looks like a modified piece. Or shall I called this keris owah-owahan. Where a real old keris has been modified or changed way out from its dapur pakem (blueprint design). Sorry, not possible to identify the tangguh.

13th June 2007, 08:59 AM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Brekele, Idem dito with Newsteel. Your keris is old blade, but modified. Look at the proportion, a little bit too short isn't it? Ganjawulung

13th June 2007, 10:04 AM	#4
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	newsteel, thanks for your informations. even until now i stil dont know owah-owahan means in keris knowlegde? i only can guess. ganjawulung, yes...it is true that the keris is a bit too short.

17th June 2007, 06:18 PM	#6
brekele Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 208	Thank YOU Ganjawulung