Origine of Bugis Keris

Sajen · 20th October 2025, 07:14 AM

Sorry, the blade looks very Buginese to my eyes!?

A. G. Maisey · 20th October 2025, 01:15 PM

If it has the typical Bugis flat faces, yes, I'd agree, Bugis style, but I cannot see those flat faces in the photos, what I can see is a bold, very non-typical pamor, a long point to the blade and the stub of what would have been a small, spindly kembang kacang.

Sajen · 20th October 2025, 07:58 PM

Yes, the blade shows a Bugis style but there are some unusual features, I agree.

The wrongko is as well somewhat unusual for Madura, the lata is straight by the example in question, by the examples shown from me not.

The hole in the pangulu handle isn't unusual, see the pics of one of my pangulu hilts.

Regards,
Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 21st October 2025, 12:31 AM

That blade could be Bugis Detlef, but from the photo I cannot see sufficient evidence to place it as Bugis, the indicators that I can see look more like East Jawa to me.

If in the hand it did provide sufficient evidence to classify as Bugis, I think I'd be considering Sumatera or some other place outside of Sulawesi.

Sajen · 21st October 2025, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

If in the hand it did provide sufficient evidence to classify as Bugis, I think I'd be considering Sumatera or some other place outside of Sulawesi.

My thoughts as well Alan!

Athanase · 21st October 2025, 11:30 PM

Hello,

Thank you all for your responses.
I apologize for the delay in responding.
Here are photos of the blade in its sheath.

A. G. Maisey · 21st October 2025, 11:49 PM

The form of the sirah cecak & the buntut urang is not typical of a keris that can be classified as Bugis, however, it is typical of a keris that can be classified as East Jawa or Madura.

If the blade does indeed carry flat faces, then we would need to consider the possibility of a gonjo replacement at some time in the (probably distant) past.

20th October 2025, 07:58 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,465	Yes, the blade shows a Bugis style but there are some unusual features, I agree. The wrongko is as well somewhat unusual for Madura, the lata is straight by the example in question, by the examples shown from me not. The hole in the pangulu handle isn't unusual, see the pics of one of my pangulu hilts. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

21st October 2025, 11:30 PM	#6
Athanase Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Paris (France) Posts: 432	Hello, Thank you all for your responses. I apologize for the delay in responding. Here are photos of the blade in its sheath. Attached Images

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20th October 2025, 07:14 AM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,465	Sorry, the blade looks very Buginese to my eyes!?

20th October 2025, 01:15 PM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,127	If it has the typical Bugis flat faces, yes, I'd agree, Bugis style, but I cannot see those flat faces in the photos, what I can see is a bold, very non-typical pamor, a long point to the blade and the stub of what would have been a small, spindly kembang kacang.

21st October 2025, 12:31 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,127	That blade could be Bugis Detlef, but from the photo I cannot see sufficient evidence to place it as Bugis, the indicators that I can see look more like East Jawa to me. If in the hand it did provide sufficient evidence to classify as Bugis, I think I'd be considering Sumatera or some other place outside of Sulawesi.

21st October 2025, 11:49 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,127	The form of the sirah cecak & the buntut urang is not typical of a keris that can be classified as Bugis, however, it is typical of a keris that can be classified as East Jawa or Madura. If the blade does indeed carry flat faces, then we would need to consider the possibility of a gonjo replacement at some time in the (probably distant) past.