keris bugis

hanggoye · 3rd June 2010, 03:37 AM

i got this keris complete with this terengganu fitting and also with ivory hilt.

any comment and opinion are welcome...

regards
hanggoye

Jentayu · 3rd June 2010, 02:25 PM

Indeed a very nice keris you got there, Nash. Congrats!

Gustav · 3rd June 2010, 07:42 PM

Careful and interesting pamor work. A pity about Kembang Kacang, looks like a repair/replacement.

Is the hilt within the standards of good malayan workmanship? Is it being cleaned in some way?

Sajen · 3rd June 2010, 10:30 PM

Sorry, the hilt doesn't look like ivory/gading.

From the pictures I would guess Tridacna at the carvings coloured.

Very nice blade!

hanggoye · 4th June 2010, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

Careful and interesting pamor work. A pity about Kembang Kacang, looks like a repair/replacement.

Is the hilt within the standards of good malayan workmanship? Is it being cleaned in some way?

gold that you seen is not use for repaired the kembang kacang but only used to cover the original kembang kacang..if you pull it off, you can see the original kembang kacang behind it..that what some people told me when they saw this blade..

this hilt is called pipit teleng..one of the favorite hilt in terengganu..this hilt is new made i think and the material is ivory

hanggoye · 4th June 2010, 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Sorry, the hilt doesn't look like ivory/gading.

From the pictures I would guess Tridacna at the carvings coloured.

Very nice blade!

this hilt is made from new ivory..i dont know if its colored or not..but the material is from ivory..

tq sajen

Gustav · 5th June 2010, 11:59 AM

Just for fun, probably the same workshop for the sarung: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=terengganu

Marcokeris · 5th June 2010, 03:42 PM

great pamor

hanggoye · 5th June 2010, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

Just for fun, probably the same workshop for the sarung: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=terengganu

agree..same workmanship for the sarung..

hanggoye · 5th June 2010, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcokeris

great pamor

thanks marco...any idea what type of pamor is this??

Marcokeris · 5th June 2010, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanggoye

thanks marco...any idea what type of pamor is this??

it seems to have reflection pattern

Sajen · 5th June 2010, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanggoye

this hilt is made from new ivory..i dont know if its colored or not..but the material is from ivory..

tq sajen

You have it in your hands and I am sure that you know what you have.

I only write what it looks like from the picture.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 6th June 2010, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanggoye

thanks marco...any idea what type of pamor is this??

The pamor is not clearly to seen at your pictures. Is it similar with this one?

PenangsangII · 7th June 2010, 04:38 AM

salam hormat,

Hanggoye's keris looks like an attempt to create "kedakan" effect of the blade pamor surface. However, the "kedakan" effect on mostly Jawanese blade, is different than this example. The Jawanese kedakan effect is smooth on the surface, but the effect can be seen like wavy pattern.

IMHO, a "confused" way to create pamor kedakan is by filing the blade across the blade, and the effect is the blade's surface becomes wavy.....

ganjawulung · 7th June 2010, 11:40 PM

We call it, "pamor tritikan" or known by most of keris people in Jawa as "untu walang" (I don't know why they call it as "grass hopper teeth" like this...). What is in Bugis term? Or Malay term?

GANJAWULUNG

BluErf · 8th June 2010, 11:37 AM

I hear people say 'gigi yul'.

Alam Shah · 9th June 2010, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

I hear people say 'gigi yul'.

In Malay, it's called 'gigi yu', (sharks's teeth)..

PenangsangII, I do not understand what is 'kedakan'? Perhaps you may want to elaborate it. Thanks.

PenangsangII · 10th June 2010, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

In Malay, it's called 'gigi yu', (sharks's teeth)..

PenangsangII, I do not understand what is 'kedakan'? Perhaps you may want to elaborate it. Thanks.

kedakan is a method of creating wavy look on smooth blade surface... the pamor materian and iron are hammered from certain position (unlike the normally downward strike) to create some kind of folding look, and file it again so that the blade surface is even. So, it only looks wavy but the surface is even/smooth.

Alam Shah · 11th June 2010, 01:41 PM

Thanks PenangsangII for the info..

Moshah · 12th June 2010, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PenangsangII

The Jawanese kedakan effect is smooth on the surface, but the effect can be seen like wavy pattern..

Agreed...Javanese / Palembang kedakan looks like it has a "bumpy" surface but it is definitely smooth to the touch. It is like a color tricks.

BluErf · 12th June 2010, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

In Malay, it's called 'gigi yu', (sharks's teeth)..

Ack!

Thanks for pointing out correct spelling.

3rd June 2010, 03:37 AM	#1
hanggoye Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 34	keris bugis i got this keris complete with this terengganu fitting and also with ivory hilt. any comment and opinion are welcome... regards hanggoye Attached Images

3rd June 2010, 07:42 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,246	Careful and interesting pamor work. A pity about Kembang Kacang, looks like a repair/replacement. Is the hilt within the standards of good malayan workmanship? Is it being cleaned in some way? Last edited by Gustav; 3rd June 2010 at 10:36 PM.

5th June 2010, 11:59 AM	#7
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,246	Just for fun, probably the same workshop for the sarung: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=terengganu Attached Images

7th June 2010, 11:40 PM	#15
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	We call it, "pamor tritikan" or known by most of keris people in Jawa as "untu walang" (I don't know why they call it as "grass hopper teeth" like this...). What is in Bugis term? Or Malay term? GANJAWULUNG Last edited by ganjawulung; 8th June 2010 at 03:16 AM.

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3rd June 2010, 02:25 PM	#2
Jentayu Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 61	Indeed a very nice keris you got there, Nash. Congrats!

3rd June 2010, 10:30 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Sorry, the hilt doesn't look like ivory/gading. From the pictures I would guess Tridacna at the carvings coloured. Very nice blade!

5th June 2010, 03:42 PM	#8
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	great pamor

7th June 2010, 04:38 AM	#14
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	salam hormat, Hanggoye's keris looks like an attempt to create "kedakan" effect of the blade pamor surface. However, the "kedakan" effect on mostly Jawanese blade, is different than this example. The Jawanese kedakan effect is smooth on the surface, but the effect can be seen like wavy pattern. IMHO, a "confused" way to create pamor kedakan is by filing the blade across the blade, and the effect is the blade's surface becomes wavy.....

8th June 2010, 11:37 AM	#16
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I hear people say 'gigi yul'.

11th June 2010, 01:41 PM	#19
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Thanks PenangsangII for the info..