request for translation

Kurt · 27th October 2016, 10:56 AM

Unfortunately, I can only read the date = 1226 = 1820/1821 ?
Can anyone help with the rest of the inscription?
Interesting would be the taking of the blacksmith .
Kurt

Battara · 27th October 2016, 05:25 PM

What a nice kilij!

Kurt · 29th October 2016, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

What a nice kilij!

Thanks Battara ,

You were the only one which one show a reaction.
Will not post anything more.

Kurt

Sajen · 29th October 2016, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt

Thanks Battara ,

You were the only one which one show a reaction.
Will not post anything more.

Kurt

Hello Kurt,

don't be disapointed and angry, I've noticed your beautiful kilij but since it don't fall under the swords I am interested on and can't read the inscription I don't comment. It's not the first thread which don't received first not many comments but become later a free runner.

I am sure that this beauty will get many attention.

Best regards,
Detlef

ariel · 29th October 2016, 08:45 PM

Kurt,
Please, do not get offended. We are talking only about 2 days delay.
It is a very nice kilij, Battara is correct, and I join him.
I seem to get a hint of wootz; am I correct?
BTW, the date is 1236.

Kurt · 29th October 2016, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Kurt,
Please, do not get offended. We are talking only about 2 days delay.
It is a very nice kilij, Battara is correct, and I join him.
I seem to get a hint of wootz; am I correct?
BTW, the date is 1236.

Ariel
You're right I made a mistake.
The correct date is 1236 =1821
Blade is wootz. Must be etched.
Kurt

digenis · 31st October 2016, 06:09 PM

Kurt,

Don't leave us! This place probably has a high percentage of the people world-wide that have an interest in ethnographic arms collecting! It is a small but high quality group and every member is valued.

The Ottoman kilij looks great. I wonder if some of the experts on the forum can comment on the almost pristine gold work. Almost too perfect. Any thoughts?

Battara · 31st October 2016, 06:25 PM

Kurt I must say that it is a little unusual to have gold koftgari in such pristine condition - and still thick!!

For me (being a bling queen

) this is one of the great features of your piece.

I think that the word "Allah" might be in the Seal of Solomon "star". I was waiting for translations, but sometimes that takes a few days depending upon who gets to see this. Please be patient. I also think I see a Qur'anic verse in one of the inscriptions as well.

I like the wootz, but I think you are right - a little more etching might help. However, if it is Turkish wootz, it might not pop out like Persian wootz does.

At the same time, I also noticed that your rhino horn grip seems complete as well.

If you ever want to throw this away in the trash, please let me know......

Kurt · 31st October 2016, 06:40 PM

Battara have a look at the other side of the blade.
The handle is not rhino, is of Ordinary Horn.
Kurt

Oliver Pinchot · 31st October 2016, 08:30 PM

Other than the date, what is visible is all religious, including "God's Blessing" and "Hero Ali."

CharlesS · 31st October 2016, 10:49 PM

Kurt, this is, indeed, one of the most lovely kilijs/palas I have seen in some time. I am a real fan of this sword style and type, though some would consider them "late"...if the 19th century can be called that!

You may want to look into the possibility that your horn grip is giraffe. The Ottomans did use this...even rarer than the other...and yours has the correct color to be just that.

Again...magificent!

Battara · 1st November 2016, 02:12 AM

Giraffe? Didn't think of that.......

Kurt · 1st November 2016, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Giraffe? Didn't think of that.......

Battara, you're right,, it's ordinary horn.
The interior is painted red as usual at Horn.
So that it gets a nice color.

Kurt · 1st November 2016, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Giraffe? Didn't think of that.......

Battara, you're right.
It is ordinary horn.
Painted red inside, as always at Horn.
This gives a nice color.

eftihis · 1st November 2016, 01:45 PM

As far as i know, traditionaly they used a paint called "minio" to paint the inside side of the horns, to protect them from insects. THis paint was made using some metal ingredient, and it came out always red. Because the horn is transparentit also gives a nice colour to the outer side of the horn, in the handle that is visible. So maybe protection and also beauty are the reasons for this colour.

A.alnakkas · 2nd November 2016, 08:21 PM

Kurt, send clearer images to my email (on PM) and I will do the translation. Already managed to read most of it, just need clear images to be 100% certain.

Miguel · 3rd November 2016, 11:08 AM

Hi Kurt, I have not been viewing for several days so have only just seen your Kilij and my mouth is watering, what a beauty, you are very fortunate to own such a handsome weapon. The only bit of translation I could have offered was the date of 1236 AH but you already knew that. Thank you for sharing.

Regards

Miguel

Kurt · 14th November 2016, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.alnakkas

Kurt, send clearer images to my email (on PM) and I will do the translation. Already managed to read most of it, just need clear images to be 100% certain.

Good morning A.alnakkas ,

Please tell me if you have already succeeded in translating the inscription.

Please forgive my impatience.

Best regards
Kurt

Kurt · 27th November 2016, 04:44 PM

A friend has translated a part.

A.alnakkas · 28th November 2016, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt

Good morning A.alnakkas ,

Please tell me if you have already succeeded in translating the inscription.

Please forgive my impatience.

Best regards
Kurt

Check your email.

27th October 2016, 10:56 AM	#1
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 196	request for translation Unfortunately, I can only read the date = 1226 = 1820/1821 ? Can anyone help with the rest of the inscription? Interesting would be the taking of the blacksmith . Kurt Attached Images

31st October 2016, 06:40 PM	#9
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 196	Other side the Pala blade. Battara have a look at the other side of the blade. The handle is not rhino, is of Ordinary Horn. Kurt Attached Images

27th November 2016, 04:44 PM	#19
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 196	A part is translated. A friend has translated a part. Attached Images

27th October 2016, 05:25 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	What a nice kilij!

29th October 2016, 08:45 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Kurt, Please, do not get offended. We are talking only about 2 days delay. It is a very nice kilij, Battara is correct, and I join him. I seem to get a hint of wootz; am I correct? BTW, the date is 1236.

31st October 2016, 06:09 PM	#7
digenis Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 48	Kurt, Don't leave us! This place probably has a high percentage of the people world-wide that have an interest in ethnographic arms collecting! It is a small but high quality group and every member is valued. The Ottoman kilij looks great. I wonder if some of the experts on the forum can comment on the almost pristine gold work. Almost too perfect. Any thoughts?

31st October 2016, 06:25 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Kurt I must say that it is a little unusual to have gold koftgari in such pristine condition - and still thick!! For me (being a bling queen ) this is one of the great features of your piece. I think that the word "Allah" might be in the Seal of Solomon "star". I was waiting for translations, but sometimes that takes a few days depending upon who gets to see this. Please be patient. I also think I see a Qur'anic verse in one of the inscriptions as well. I like the wootz, but I think you are right - a little more etching might help. However, if it is Turkish wootz, it might not pop out like Persian wootz does. At the same time, I also noticed that your rhino horn grip seems complete as well. If you ever want to throw this away in the trash, please let me know......

31st October 2016, 08:30 PM	#10
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	Other than the date, what is visible is all religious, including "God's Blessing" and "Hero Ali."

31st October 2016, 10:49 PM	#11
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Kurt, this is, indeed, one of the most lovely kilijs/palas I have seen in some time. I am a real fan of this sword style and type, though some would consider them "late"...if the 19th century can be called that! You may want to look into the possibility that your horn grip is giraffe. The Ottomans did use this...even rarer than the other...and yours has the correct color to be just that. Again...magificent!

1st November 2016, 02:12 AM	#12
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Giraffe? Didn't think of that.......

1st November 2016, 01:45 PM	#15
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 507	As far as i know, traditionaly they used a paint called "minio" to paint the inside side of the horns, to protect them from insects. THis paint was made using some metal ingredient, and it came out always red. Because the horn is transparentit also gives a nice colour to the outer side of the horn, in the handle that is visible. So maybe protection and also beauty are the reasons for this colour.

2nd November 2016, 08:21 PM	#16
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Kurt, send clearer images to my email (on PM) and I will do the translation. Already managed to read most of it, just need clear images to be 100% certain.

3rd November 2016, 11:08 AM	#17
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	Hi Kurt, I have not been viewing for several days so have only just seen your Kilij and my mouth is watering, what a beauty, you are very fortunate to own such a handsome weapon. The only bit of translation I could have offered was the date of 1236 AH but you already knew that. Thank you for sharing. Regards Miguel