Algerian Pala need translation

Kurt · 3rd July 2010, 05:47 PM

Hi ,
Here are 2 of my Algerian Palas
can someone translate this?
Suspect says! Amel Mousa Qarim?
Regards
Kutrt

Zifir · 5th July 2010, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt

Hi ,
Here are 2 of my Algerian Palas
can someone translate this?
Suspect says! Amel Mousa Qarim?
Regards
Kutrt

Hi,
Yes, the inscription is Amel Musa Karimi.

best,

Kurt · 6th July 2010, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir

Hi,
Yes, the inscription is Amel Musa Karimi.

best,

Hi Zifir ,

Thanks for your help.

Regards
Kurt

eftihis · 8th July 2010, 10:35 PM

Hi Kurt, fantastic swords, how do you know that these palas are Algerian?
In the book "splendeur des armes orientales" there is a almost identical one, but it is just described as "ottoman".

Kurt · 9th July 2010, 08:40 AM

Hi Eftihis ,

You're right, one of my palas was in the exhibition ,
"splendeur des armes orientales"
Ottoman is correct because Algeria was part of the Ottoman Empire.
But only in Algeria Palas were worn without cross pice.

Kurt

eftihis · 9th July 2010, 08:47 AM

Well. congratulations!
Could we have some close ups of the silverwork on the scabbards?

Kurt · 10th July 2010, 01:17 PM

Here are the close-ups.
Regards
Kurt

ariel · 23rd July 2010, 08:00 PM

here is mine: same pattern, not as lavish :-(
But it has unmistakeable Afghani/North Indian features.
Any thoughts?

Kurt · 27th July 2010, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

here is mine: same pattern, not as lavish :-(
But it has unmistakeable Afghani/North Indian features.
Any thoughts?

Hello Ariel,

Thanks for sharing pictures.
I saw one like that in London.
I am sure it is a Afgahn saber.
Handle and ferrule are typical of Afghanistan.
Is it a very heavy blade?
Regards
Kurt

ariel · 27th July 2010, 11:44 PM

Kurt,
Thanks for the info and opinion.
My blade is pretty thick and massive, but not heavy: it is too short for that:-)
Your gorgeous palas were presumably naval: too short for the cavalry. But.. Afghan Navy???? Moreover, if you saw another one like that, we are beginning to think about a specific pattern. What kind of purpose could such Palas serve in Afghanistan?

Kurt · 28th July 2010, 08:45 AM

Ariel ,

You're absolutely right my palace are from the Navy.
Your probably was carried by a particular tribe.
Perhaps very little people?
, Check out this link to be from the Top Kapi
istanbul.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Imperial_Armoury_Topkapi_Istanbul_(19).JPG
Kurt

Kurt · 28th July 2010, 09:23 AM

Ariel ,
is similar to your Pala.
Kurt

3rd July 2010, 05:47 PM	#1
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 197	Algerian Pala need translation Hi , Here are 2 of my Algerian Palas can someone translate this? Suspect says! Amel Mousa Qarim? Regards Kutrt Attached Images

9th July 2010, 08:40 AM	#5
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 197	Algerian Hi Eftihis , You're right, one of my palas was in the exhibition , "splendeur des armes orientales" Ottoman is correct because Algeria was part of the Ottoman Empire. But only in Algeria Palas were worn without cross pice. Kurt

10th July 2010, 01:17 PM	#7
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 197	clos ups Here are the close-ups. Regards Kurt Attached Images

23rd July 2010, 08:00 PM	#8
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	here is mine: same pattern, not as lavish :-( But it has unmistakeable Afghani/North Indian features. Any thoughts? Attached Images

28th July 2010, 08:45 AM	#11
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 197	Afghan pala Ariel , You're absolutely right my palace are from the Navy. Your probably was carried by a particular tribe. Perhaps very little people? , Check out this link to be from the Top Kapi istanbul. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Imperial_Armoury_Topkapi_Istanbul_(19).JPG Kurt

8th July 2010, 10:35 PM	#4
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Hi Kurt, fantastic swords, how do you know that these palas are Algerian? In the book "splendeur des armes orientales" there is a almost identical one, but it is just described as "ottoman".

9th July 2010, 08:47 AM	#6
eftihis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chania Crete Greece Posts: 511	Well. congratulations! Could we have some close ups of the silverwork on the scabbards?

27th July 2010, 11:44 PM	#10
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Kurt, Thanks for the info and opinion. My blade is pretty thick and massive, but not heavy: it is too short for that:-) Your gorgeous palas were presumably naval: too short for the cavalry. But.. Afghan Navy???? Moreover, if you saw another one like that, we are beginning to think about a specific pattern. What kind of purpose could such Palas serve in Afghanistan?

28th July 2010, 09:23 AM	#12
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 197	Top Kapi Istanbul Ariel , is similar to your Pala. Kurt Attached Images