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Kurt 3rd July 2010 05:47 PM

Algerian Pala need translation
 
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Hi ,
Here are 2 of my Algerian Palas
can someone translate this?
Suspect says! Amel Mousa Qarim?
Regards
Kutrt

Zifir 5th July 2010 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt
Hi ,
Here are 2 of my Algerian Palas
can someone translate this?
Suspect says! Amel Mousa Qarim?
Regards
Kutrt

Hi,
Yes, the inscription is Amel Musa Karimi.

best,

Kurt 6th July 2010 09:37 AM

Translation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir
Hi,
Yes, the inscription is Amel Musa Karimi.

best,


Hi Zifir ,

Thanks for your help.

Regards
Kurt

eftihis 8th July 2010 10:35 PM

Hi Kurt, fantastic swords, how do you know that these palas are Algerian?
In the book "splendeur des armes orientales" there is a almost identical one, but it is just described as "ottoman".

Kurt 9th July 2010 08:40 AM

Algerian
 
Hi Eftihis ,

You're right, one of my palas was in the exhibition ,
"splendeur des armes orientales"
Ottoman is correct because Algeria was part of the Ottoman Empire.
But only in Algeria Palas were worn without cross pice.

Kurt

eftihis 9th July 2010 08:47 AM

Well. congratulations!
Could we have some close ups of the silverwork on the scabbards?

Kurt 10th July 2010 01:17 PM

clos ups
 
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Here are the close-ups.
Regards
Kurt

ariel 23rd July 2010 08:00 PM

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here is mine: same pattern, not as lavish :-(
But it has unmistakeable Afghani/North Indian features.
Any thoughts?

Kurt 27th July 2010 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel
here is mine: same pattern, not as lavish :-(
But it has unmistakeable Afghani/North Indian features.
Any thoughts?

Hello Ariel,

Thanks for sharing pictures.
I saw one like that in London.
I am sure it is a Afgahn saber.
Handle and ferrule are typical of Afghanistan.
Is it a very heavy blade?
Regards
Kurt

ariel 27th July 2010 11:44 PM

Kurt,
Thanks for the info and opinion.
My blade is pretty thick and massive, but not heavy: it is too short for that:-)
Your gorgeous palas were presumably naval: too short for the cavalry. But.. Afghan Navy???? Moreover, if you saw another one like that, we are beginning to think about a specific pattern. What kind of purpose could such Palas serve in Afghanistan?

Kurt 28th July 2010 08:45 AM

Afghan pala
 
Ariel ,

You're absolutely right my palace are from the Navy.
Your probably was carried by a particular tribe.
Perhaps very little people?
, Check out this link to be from the Top Kapi
istanbul.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Imperial_Armoury_Topkapi_Istanbul_(19).JPG
Kurt

Kurt 28th July 2010 09:23 AM

Top Kapi Istanbul
 
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Ariel ,
is similar to your Pala.
Kurt


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