Cup hilted sword ... mark unknown

fernando · 26th April 2020, 07:57 PM

I have bought this sword twerlve years ago. I could swear i have shown it here in the forum but, for some reason, i can not find such thread.
However the problem i had then in identifying the blade Smith's marks remains unsolved. So i decided to be back here with such sword, in case some of you guys are familiar with its marks and ID them for me.
This is a sword with a thin rapier blade (20 mm wide x 8,3 mm thick), with the inscription VIVA EL REY - DE PORTVGAL. Although the phrase is no doubt Portuguese, i believe the sword was imported. The only reason i am not 100% sure that it was produced in Spain is because i can not find the blade marks in the Palomares Nomina, nor anywhere, which is peculiar. The cup bowl and quillons are rather large (16 cms + 32 cms.). The blade is also a lengthy one, with its 98 cms.
So gentlemen, any hint on the mark/s will be much welcome.

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Norman McCormick · 27th April 2020, 12:40 PM

Hi Fernando,
I reckon this is the one you are looking for.
My Regards,
Norman.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=rapier

fernando · 27th April 2020, 02:39 PM

Tapadh leat, Norman

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Yes, this was the thread; a treatise indeed !
You will notice the marks were not discussed; the seller didn't comment on them and i also didn't pay them much attention, as they looked too faded to investigate.
But when reviewing (once more) my collection files i realized that they ought to be some actual smith's personal marks and decided to raise the question in here, hoping that someone would help crack the riddle.

Norman McCormick · 27th April 2020, 02:58 PM

De nada meu amigo

26th April 2020, 07:57 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Cup hilted sword ... mark unknown I have bought this sword twerlve years ago. I could swear i have shown it here in the forum but, for some reason, i can not find such thread. However the problem i had then in identifying the blade Smith's marks remains unsolved. So i decided to be back here with such sword, in case some of you guys are familiar with its marks and ID them for me. This is a sword with a thin rapier blade (20 mm wide x 8,3 mm thick), with the inscription VIVA EL REY - DE PORTVGAL. Although the phrase is no doubt Portuguese, i believe the sword was imported. The only reason i am not 100% sure that it was produced in Spain is because i can not find the blade marks in the Palomares Nomina, nor anywhere, which is peculiar. The cup bowl and quillons are rather large (16 cms + 32 cms.). The blade is also a lengthy one, with its 98 cms. So gentlemen, any hint on the mark/s will be much welcome. . Attached Images

27th April 2020, 12:40 PM	#2
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	Hi Fernando, I reckon this is the one you are looking for. My Regards, Norman. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=rapier

27th April 2020, 02:39 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Tapadh leat, Norman . Yes, this was the thread; a treatise indeed ! You will notice the marks were not discussed; the seller didn't comment on them and i also didn't pay them much attention, as they looked too faded to investigate. But when reviewing (once more) my collection files i realized that they ought to be some actual smith's personal marks and decided to raise the question in here, hoping that someone would help crack the riddle.

27th April 2020, 02:58 PM	#4
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,613	De nada meu amigo