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2nd November 2006, 05:27 PM
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Tumbok Lada classification
Hi all,
I have just uploaded my Tumbok Lada collection at Kampungnet. The two Gayo versions are obvious but do you recognise where the other variations come from? Michael Detail pictures at http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php |
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3rd November 2006, 12:54 AM
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I wish someone had more information to offer on this weapon form; I have a very odd example which I'm not even positive is a Tumbak Lada.
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3rd November 2006, 09:19 AM
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Rick,
I think your knife is made in the Palembang area, mid 20th C. It resembles in style and material a knife I traded to CharlesS about 1 1/2 years ago (don't know if he still has it to show?). I still regret that I let it go.  Michael |
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3rd November 2006, 05:19 PM
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What is the difference between tumbak lada and a sewar?
Lew |
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3rd November 2006, 09:52 PM
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As I understand it a Tumok Lada has a distinctive squared off handle.
The name tumbok meaning "pepper" and "lada" meaning grinder. Here are some pictures of my little "Pepper Grinder." |
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4th November 2006, 12:28 AM
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I'm not so sure Bill; Lew's example doesn't have a squared off handle .
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8th November 2006, 07:14 AM
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Very interesting thread, can someone explain when a Tumbok Lada becomes a Golok or is Golok a more generic term. Where would this piece fit?
Cheers DrD |
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8th November 2006, 04:54 PM
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Drdavid,
A Golok is larger than a knife like Tumbok Lada (Pisau Tumbok Lada) or a Sewar. How big is your knife? I have now updated at Kampungnet with a couple of related Sumatran blades: Sewar http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php Sekin http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php and various Sumatran knives and daggers http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...bum.php&page=1 Michael Last edited by VVV; 8th November 2006 at 05:07 PM. Reason: spelling |
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10th November 2006, 10:49 PM
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Hi Michael, you show some beautiful pieces here, and the collection on Kampung net is outstanding.
The blade length on my piece is 30cms (12"), and the hilt is 12cms. DrD |
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12th November 2006, 08:29 PM
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Hi Drdavid,
I think it's hard to say what your blade is? It has the lenght of a small Golok but I would hesitate to call it that because of the blade's shape? Goloks, as I understand it, are made primarily for cutting and yours looks like it's made primarily for thrusting. Another example is this blade. It's 54 cm overall with a blade of 40 cm that could be used both for cutting and thrusting. Feels primarily like a slashing blade. I haven't found out yet what it is? Maybe a Golok Rembau (see Hill and van Z)? Michael Last edited by VVV; 12th November 2006 at 08:43 PM. |
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20th November 2006, 09:36 AM
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Hi Michael
you are correct mine does not have the feel or look of a slashing weapon, but as a stabbing one it would be effective. Van Zonneveld's description of a Golok Rembau sounds pretty good, a bit bigger than a Tumbok Lada but similar shape. Thanks for your help. cheers David |
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