Balinese Keris Holders

ganjawulung · 16th October 2011, 12:20 PM

Just visual sharing, on Bali keris holders from some museums in Indonesia. The best keris holder I've seen is a kerajaan Gelgel's keris holder at Museum Gajah (second picture below). But private museum D'Topeng in Sanur, Bali, also has a magnificent collection (picture below) of a cute bali keris holder too...

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ganjawulung · 16th October 2011, 08:13 PM

Bali keris holder at Museum Gajah, Jakarta (the National Museum of Jakarta) is one of the best keris holder I've seen. According to museum sources, this beautiful Anoman motif keris holder came from kerajaan Gelgel, Klungkung era of XV century...

ganjawulung · 16th October 2011, 08:17 PM

A private museum, "D'Topeng" -- located at 2nd floor of a Balinese restoran near Sanur bypass -- has beautiful collections of traditional masks from all over Indonesian archipelago, and also some kerises, and old keris holders. This is one of their collections....

ganjawulung · 16th October 2011, 08:20 PM

Located at 2nd floor of a Balinese restoran near Sanur bypass -- the private museum, "D'Topeng" -- has beautiful collections of traditional masks from all over Indonesian archipelago, and also some kerises, and old keris holders. This is one of their collections....

ganjawulung · 16th October 2011, 08:22 PM

A collection of "D'Topeng" private museum, Sanur Bypass, Bali. An old bali keris holder... And this is an interesting thread on this subject, at our Warung Kopi... http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...i+keris+holder

Marcokeris · 17th October 2011, 12:27 AM

Thanks for nice pics and subject

ganjawulung · 17th October 2011, 03:13 AM

...beautiful collection of hundreds of traditional masks of all over Indonesian Archipelago, at the private museum "D'Topeng"...

ganjawulung · 17th October 2011, 03:16 AM

... collection of "loro blonyo" (a pair of Gedono and Gedini statue) from different places in Indonesia, and also samples of box arts, bed arts.. (collection of D'Topeng Museum)

Marcokeris · 17th October 2011, 04:17 AM

Jimmi where this museum is in Sanur? It seems to have amazing objects.

ganjawulung · 17th October 2011, 04:48 AM

A new private museum, Marco. It is located on the 2nd floor of "D'Topeng Restaurant", Jalan Setiabudi No 10, Simpang Siur, Badung, Bali (you may ask the taxi driver, "D'Topeng Restaurant, Sanur" at Jalan Setiabudi). The formal name is "D'Topeng Kingdom Museum"....

If you don't mind, Mr Moderator -- Rick and David -- I would like to to share the link to the museum's site. http://www.dtopengkingdommuseum.com/v2/

David · 17th October 2011, 05:04 AM

On the contrary Jimmy, i don't mind at all. Great images, thanks!

Rick · 17th October 2011, 04:43 PM

If I didn't know better I would guess that you're a Travel Agent, Jimmy.

ganjawulung · 17th October 2011, 05:11 PM

@Rick, yes, ha, ha, ha.... Keris travel agent.

Rick · 17th October 2011, 07:16 PM

Yes, a magical mystery tour ............

ganjawulung · 17th October 2011, 08:51 PM

Another mystery tour, this time to Amsterdam. An old and beautiful -- if not the most -- keris holder from the collection of Tropen Museum, Amsterdam. Depicted who?

Jussi M. · 17th October 2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Bali keris holder at Museum Gajah, Jakarta (the National Museum of Jakarta) is one of the best keris holder I've seen. According to museum sources, this beautiful Anoman motif keris holder came from kerajaan Gelgel, Klungkung era of XV century...

Re the keris holder in post #2... Believe it or not but I saw it in real life here in Finland in 1996 when it toured the world accompanied by circa 250 other items - many of them kerises, tombaks and other regalia - on an Indonesian government sponsored exhibition tournee. To say it was astonishing is yet a lame way of describing it. The kerises that accompanied it... No words

Battara · 18th October 2011, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Another mystery tour, this time to Amsterdam. An old and beautiful -- if not the most -- keris holder from the collection of Tropen Museum, Amsterdam. Depicted who?

I am thinking that this is Hanuman the monkey general friend of Rama.

IT is a nice piece - thank you for posting.

GIO · 18th October 2011, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Another mystery tour, this time to Amsterdam. An old and beautiful -- if not the most -- keris holder from the collection of Tropen Museum, Amsterdam. Depicted who?

Great sculpture indeed ! I too think it depicts Hanuman, but am asking myself: where the keris has to be inserted ?

GIO · 18th October 2011, 07:50 PM

Here is one of my keris holders: Hanuman again !
I think it is a rather recent manufacture, now it has a big crack in the base.
Forget the keris. It has nothing to do with Bali.

asomotif · 18th October 2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GIO

Here is one of my keris holders: Hanuman again !

Nice one, but is this Hanuman ? does he have a tail for starters ?

Best regards,
Willem

ganjawulung · 19th October 2011, 05:30 AM

Hanuman, or Anoman, always has white fur, Another human-ape of Ramayana epic, is Anila with violet fur, and Anggada with red fur. In Ramayana, Anoman is the son of Dewi Anjani (name of a goddess), and Batara Guru (the highest god in wayang world). Anila is the son of Batara Narada (another god in wayang), and Anggada is the son of Sugriwa (king of Apes in Gua Kiskenda) with Dewi Tara (a goddess)...

GIO · 19th October 2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Nice one, but is this Hanuman ? does he have a tail for starters ?

Best regards,
Willem

There is a sort of tail, but similar to a piece of cloth. There is also a keris inserted in the belt.

klewang · 19th October 2011, 10:52 AM

I think Gio's kerisholder might be Twalen, the Balinese version of Semar.
I know he is mentioned in a book on Semar by Ruud Greve, can't find it right know unfortunately.

David · 19th October 2011, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klewang

I think Gio's kerisholder might be Twalen, the Balinese version of Semar.
I know he is mentioned in a book on Semar by Ruud Greve, can't find it right know unfortunately.

I think this is a likely attribution. He does seem to have the appropriate widely spaced 2 teeth and general head shape.

Sajen · 19th October 2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I think this is a likely attribution. He does seem to have the appropriate widely spaced 2 teeth and general head shape.

Yes, agree most probable Twalen! Here pictures from my old Twalen figure - no keris holder but a nice old carving.

Regards,

Detlef

asomotif · 19th October 2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Yes, agree most probable Twalen! Here pictures from my old Twalen figure - no keris holder but a nice old carving.

Regards,

Detlef

Nice one Detlef.

His hands look shaped like they did hold something in the past ?

Sajen · 20th October 2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Nice one Detlef.

His hands look shaped like they did hold something in the past ?

Thank you Willem,

yes, I like it as well, good old Bali carving. You are correct by your assumption but I really don't know what. Maybe tombaks?

Regards,

Detlef

ivoke · 25th October 2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Yes, agree most probable Twalen! Here pictures from my old Twalen figure - no keris holder but a nice old carving.

Regards,

Detlef

Think its Petruk, not Twalen, but i can be wrong.

Sajen · 25th October 2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ivoke

Think its Petruk, not Twalen, but i can be wrong.

Hello Ivoke,

why you think like this? Can you explain? Thank you in advance,

Detlef

ivoke · 25th October 2011, 09:54 PM

Well, from what i know,

basicly:

Twalen is black,
his sarong is black and white,
Petruk has green in his colorscheme and facial hair.
but he normally also has a bigger nose,so it could also be Delem,
my opinion its not Twalen or Merdah.

Gio's Hanuman has more features that could make it Twalen.

but this is my personal opinion, i could be wrong.
And i base myself on the Bali-Singaraja versions.

16th October 2011, 12:20 PM	#1
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Bali Keris Holders Just visual sharing, on Bali keris holders from some museums in Indonesia. The best keris holder I've seen is a kerajaan Gelgel's keris holder at Museum Gajah (second picture below). But private museum D'Topeng in Sanur, Bali, also has a magnificent collection (picture below) of a cute bali keris holder too... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images Last edited by ganjawulung; 16th October 2011 at 10:38 PM.

16th October 2011, 08:17 PM	#3
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	A private museum, "D'Topeng" -- located at 2nd floor of a Balinese restoran near Sanur bypass -- has beautiful collections of traditional masks from all over Indonesian archipelago, and also some kerises, and old keris holders. This is one of their collections.... Attached Images

16th October 2011, 08:20 PM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Located at 2nd floor of a Balinese restoran near Sanur bypass -- the private museum, "D'Topeng" -- has beautiful collections of traditional masks from all over Indonesian archipelago, and also some kerises, and old keris holders. This is one of their collections.... Attached Images

16th October 2011, 08:22 PM	#5
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	A collection of "D'Topeng" private museum, Sanur Bypass, Bali. An old bali keris holder... And this is an interesting thread on this subject, at our Warung Kopi... http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...i+keris+holder Attached Images Last edited by ganjawulung; 16th October 2011 at 11:08 PM.

17th October 2011, 03:13 AM	#7
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	...beautiful collection of hundreds of traditional masks of all over Indonesian Archipelago, at the private museum "D'Topeng"... Attached Images

16th October 2011, 08:13 PM	#2
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Bali keris holder at Museum Gajah, Jakarta (the National Museum of Jakarta) is one of the best keris holder I've seen. According to museum sources, this beautiful Anoman motif keris holder came from kerajaan Gelgel, Klungkung era of XV century... Attached Images Last edited by ganjawulung; 16th October 2011 at 10:39 PM.

17th October 2011, 12:27 AM	#6
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Thanks for nice pics and subject

17th October 2011, 03:16 AM	#8
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	... collection of "loro blonyo" (a pair of Gedono and Gedini statue) from different places in Indonesia, and also samples of box arts, bed arts.. (collection of D'Topeng Museum) Attached Images

17th October 2011, 04:17 AM	#9
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Jimmi where this museum is in Sanur? It seems to have amazing objects.

17th October 2011, 04:48 AM	#10
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	D'Topeng Kingdom Museum A new private museum, Marco. It is located on the 2nd floor of "D'Topeng Restaurant", Jalan Setiabudi No 10, Simpang Siur, Badung, Bali (you may ask the taxi driver, "D'Topeng Restaurant, Sanur" at Jalan Setiabudi). The formal name is "D'Topeng Kingdom Museum".... If you don't mind, Mr Moderator -- Rick and David -- I would like to to share the link to the museum's site. http://www.dtopengkingdommuseum.com/v2/

17th October 2011, 05:04 AM	#11
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,199	On the contrary Jimmy, i don't mind at all. Great images, thanks!

17th October 2011, 04:43 PM	#12
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,325	If I didn't know better I would guess that you're a Travel Agent, Jimmy.

17th October 2011, 05:11 PM	#13
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	@Rick, yes, ha, ha, ha.... Keris travel agent.

17th October 2011, 07:16 PM	#14
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,325	Yes, a magical mystery tour ............

17th October 2011, 08:51 PM	#15
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Another mystery tour, this time to Amsterdam. An old and beautiful -- if not the most -- keris holder from the collection of Tropen Museum, Amsterdam. Depicted who? Attached Images

18th October 2011, 07:50 PM	#19
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	Here is one of my keris holders: Hanuman again ! I think it is a rather recent manufacture, now it has a big crack in the base. Forget the keris. It has nothing to do with Bali. Attached Images

19th October 2011, 05:30 AM	#21
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Hanuman, or Anoman, always has white fur, Another human-ape of Ramayana epic, is Anila with violet fur, and Anggada with red fur. In Ramayana, Anoman is the son of Dewi Anjani (name of a goddess), and Batara Guru (the highest god in wayang world). Anila is the son of Batara Narada (another god in wayang), and Anggada is the son of Sugriwa (king of Apes in Gua Kiskenda) with Dewi Tara (a goddess)...

19th October 2011, 10:52 AM	#23
klewang Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 23	Twalen I think Gio's kerisholder might be Twalen, the Balinese version of Semar. I know he is mentioned in a book on Semar by Ruud Greve, can't find it right know unfortunately.

25th October 2011, 09:54 PM	#30
ivoke Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 20	Well, from what i know, basicly: Twalen is black, his sarong is black and white, Petruk has green in his colorscheme and facial hair. but he normally also has a bigger nose,so it could also be Delem, my opinion its not Twalen or Merdah. Gio's Hanuman has more features that could make it Twalen. but this is my personal opinion, i could be wrong. And i base myself on the Bali-Singaraja versions. Last edited by ivoke; 25th October 2011 at 10:49 PM.