Jimpul

Dajak · 21st April 2005, 05:26 PM

There is a lot off misunderstanding what is a Jimpul and what not .
If we use The Shelford provisional classification of the swords of the Sarawak Tribes presented 12th Novenber 1901 we see that Mr Albert Zonneveld made a big mistake at page 57 of his book.
The mandau 165 is not a Jimpul I asked him why he put this one between the Jimpuls and his answer was that he couldn't find a classification for the Mandau.
So the information given is incorrect and used by many people as a Jimpul wich
is incorrect.
If someone wanna have information about weapons of Borneo just ask and I try to answer the questions.
I am specialised in the weapons off the Iban use .

Ian · 21st April 2005, 07:54 PM

Thank you for the clarification and the offer, Dajak.

Ian

ariel · 21st April 2005, 09:17 PM

Thanks for the offer.
Can you just summarize your info in a short article and post it here? After that, we shall have a much better idea of our ignorance and shall be able to ask you some pointed clarifying questions.

Federico · 22nd April 2005, 01:43 AM

Thank you for your generous offer. Would you be willing to share what information you may have about kris/keris in Iban culture?

Dajak · 22nd April 2005, 06:04 AM

Hi Federico in the Iban culture was no place for an Kris the Kris was brought
in by the malay people who use the Iban to break up the country for them
the typical kris handle from borneo comes from Bandlermasin
Head hunters do not use a kris to get a head off

Federico · 22nd April 2005, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajak

Hi Federico in the Iban culture was no place for an Kris the Kris was brought
in by the malay people who use the Iban to break up the country for them
the typical kris handle from borneo comes from Bandlermasin
Head hunters do not use a kris to get a head off

Thank you so much for your response. I understand that the Iban is just one of many groups that fall under the "sea-dayak" monicker in many of the older books, would you say this non-keris/kris use would be representative of other groups who have been labelled as dayaks, or is it specific to the Iban?

Dajak · 22nd April 2005, 05:40 PM

The Iban are the Seadajaks there is no Dayak group that use kris as a weapon
it is more that the other people bring the Kris to Borneo like the malay people did in the early 15 cht
Bruinei was in 1521 a large and wealthy town
The Malay people must have mixed largely with the Kadayans ,melanuas and other coastal people
Before Radja Brooke make his entrance in Borneo the malay s use the Iban

21st April 2005, 05:26 PM	#1
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Jimpul There is a lot off misunderstanding what is a Jimpul and what not . If we use The Shelford provisional classification of the swords of the Sarawak Tribes presented 12th Novenber 1901 we see that Mr Albert Zonneveld made a big mistake at page 57 of his book. The mandau 165 is not a Jimpul I asked him why he put this one between the Jimpuls and his answer was that he couldn't find a classification for the Mandau. So the information given is incorrect and used by many people as a Jimpul wich is incorrect. If someone wanna have information about weapons of Borneo just ask and I try to answer the questions. I am specialised in the weapons off the Iban use .

22nd April 2005, 06:04 AM	#5
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Jimpul Hi Federico in the Iban culture was no place for an Kris the Kris was brought in by the malay people who use the Iban to break up the country for them the typical kris handle from borneo comes from Bandlermasin Head hunters do not use a kris to get a head off

22nd April 2005, 05:40 PM	#7
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Jimpul The Iban are the Seadajaks there is no Dayak group that use kris as a weapon it is more that the other people bring the Kris to Borneo like the malay people did in the early 15 cht Bruinei was in 1521 a large and wealthy town The Malay people must have mixed largely with the Kadayans ,melanuas and other coastal people Before Radja Brooke make his entrance in Borneo the malay s use the Iban

21st April 2005, 07:54 PM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,198	Thank you for the clarification and the offer, Dajak. Ian

21st April 2005, 09:17 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Thanks for the offer. Can you just summarize your info in a short article and post it here? After that, we shall have a much better idea of our ignorance and shall be able to ask you some pointed clarifying questions.

22nd April 2005, 01:43 AM	#4
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Thank you for your generous offer. Would you be willing to share what information you may have about kris/keris in Iban culture?