Hussar model 1777 French Mameluke??

ASPaulding · 27th October 2022, 02:56 AM

I purchase this sword recently and have done a little research. The blade is from Klingenthal (blade valley). I think it is from the late 18th century. The hilt is Mameluke style but I don't know if it is from the same time line. There is some marks on the hilt but I can only make out a couple of numbers. I really want this to be from the Mamelukes of the Imperial Guard that served Napoleon but I have never seen a bronze cast hilt example like this one. Please give me your opinion. Thank you

ASPaulding · 27th October 2022, 02:58 AM

A few more photos.

Radboud · 27th October 2022, 07:14 AM

I’m not comfortable with the casting of the bronze grip. It’s too unrefined / unfinished for a French officer sabre or for the Imperial Guard. Looking at the langets, I have to wonder if the sword as mounted would even fit in a scabbard. It would be tight at the very least.

The blade is good, pre-1800 going by the writing style on the spine, which further casts into doubt that they are original to each other.

corrado26 · 27th October 2022, 07:29 AM

The signature on both sides of the blade stands for "République Francaise" and for the time of the French Revolution, when the "Garde des Mamelucks" was still unknown. This is a privately ordered hussar sabre made at Klingenthal in about 1790 , it has nothing to do with the Mamelucks. .

ASPaulding · 27th October 2022, 08:59 PM

Thank you very much for the information.

Dmitry · 2nd November 2022, 05:19 PM

The hilt could be from a societal/masonic sword, or a Hungarian magnate sword, or from India. The casting isn't of terrible quality. Doesn't look like the hilt and the blade were mated recently, but I've been wrong before. I wonder how the hilt and the blade are held together. Be careful swinging the sword; the blade my come flying.

27th October 2022, 02:56 AM	#1
ASPaulding Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 83	Hussar model 1777 French Mameluke?? I purchase this sword recently and have done a little research. The blade is from Klingenthal (blade valley). I think it is from the late 18th century. The hilt is Mameluke style but I don't know if it is from the same time line. There is some marks on the hilt but I can only make out a couple of numbers. I really want this to be from the Mamelukes of the Imperial Guard that served Napoleon but I have never seen a bronze cast hilt example like this one. Please give me your opinion. Thank you Attached Images

27th October 2022, 02:58 AM	#2
ASPaulding Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 83	A few more photos. Attached Images

27th October 2022, 07:29 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,204	The signature on both sides of the blade stands for "République Francaise" and for the time of the French Revolution, when the "Garde des Mamelucks" was still unknown. This is a privately ordered hussar sabre made at Klingenthal in about 1790 , it has nothing to do with the Mamelucks. . Attached Images

27th October 2022, 07:14 AM	#3
Radboud Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: New Zealand Posts: 261	I’m not comfortable with the casting of the bronze grip. It’s too unrefined / unfinished for a French officer sabre or for the Imperial Guard. Looking at the langets, I have to wonder if the sword as mounted would even fit in a scabbard. It would be tight at the very least. The blade is good, pre-1800 going by the writing style on the spine, which further casts into doubt that they are original to each other.

27th October 2022, 08:59 PM	#5
ASPaulding Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 83	Thank you very much for the information.

2nd November 2022, 05:19 PM	#6
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	The hilt could be from a societal/masonic sword, or a Hungarian magnate sword, or from India. The casting isn't of terrible quality. Doesn't look like the hilt and the blade were mated recently, but I've been wrong before. I wonder how the hilt and the blade are held together. Be careful swinging the sword; the blade my come flying.