Nice miquelet Gun for ID

Cerjak · 30th June 2012, 06:36 PM

Hi Everbody
This is some pics froma nice gun but the stock had been brocken .
Wondering if with this damage it still good to be in a collection .
The barrel is so heavy and I supose that many of them was broken because of the weight .
Any comment on it will be welcome.

Regards

Cerjak

Battara · 30th June 2012, 07:11 PM

Nice piece. Love the twist core barrel.

Norman McCormick · 30th June 2012, 08:49 PM

Hi Cerjak,
A Caucasian Miquelet rifle, not that thick on the ground so despite condition, which could be repaired much better, could be worth adding to your collection. I suspect the galloping woodworm may have more to do with the break in the stock than a weighty barrel and the woodworm is the one thing than would make me cautious about adding this rifle to my collection. I have seen furniture with less wormholes that looked ok on the outside but were bereft of any substance inside. I have attached a few photos of mine for comparison although it is of a plainer type.
My Regards,
Norman.

TVV · 30th June 2012, 08:55 PM

Lovely gun! I guess it is from Persia or the Caucasus with this stock.
Teodor

Cerjak · 30th June 2012, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Cerjak,
A Caucasian Miquelet rifle, not that thick on the ground so despite condition, which could be repaired much better, could be worth adding to your collection. I suspect the galloping woodworm may have more to do with the break in the stock than a weighty barrel and the woodworm is the one thing than would make me cautious about adding this rifle to my collection. I have seen furniture with less wormholes that looked ok on the outside but were bereft of any substance inside. I have attached a few photos of mine for comparison although it is of a plainer type.
My Regards,
Norman.

Norman,

Your gun seems to be in perfect condition,It is a long time I try to find one but those guns become so expensive so I had accept a gun in this condition because is still nice to see and was enable to find one in raisonable price but if one day I have the luck to find one in perfect condition I will not miss it.
Those gun are so nice and more and more collector are looking to buy those weapon so I had prefer to bought now affraid that one day the price become to high.

Regards

Cerjak

Norman McCormick · 30th June 2012, 10:33 PM

Hi Cerjack,
My rifle, unfortunately, is not in perfect condition, it is missing the front barrel band and the ramrod shaft has been replaced at some time but apart from that it is pretty good. If the woodworm on yours has been treated correctly it should give you no more problems but I think in time the repairs to the stock could be done better and the wormholes hidden with a good furniture restorers wax. I agree it is a form of rifle that is difficult to come by without paying a lot and you are lucky to get one at a reasonable price. It is a nice and unusual piece with a lovely barrel, thank you for posting it. If you use the search for "Miquelet" you will get more detailed photos of my example and a couple of period photos of these rifles.
My Regards,
Norman.

rickystl · 2nd July 2012, 08:34 PM

Hi Cerjak. Nice looking Caucasian rifle. Maybe a bit of Persian influence on the lock. Is the barrel rifled or smoothbore?
Agree with Norman about the wormholes. Have to be careful. But, as Norman says the break in the stock can be repaired better at a later date. The color and grain of the wood on this piece - as well as the barrel - are very attractive.
I've been looking for one of these Caucasian long arms myself for quite a while. And your right, the prices for Causasian weapons - especially the guns - seems to be going through the roof, especially the last 6-7 years. The long arms are more difficult to locate than the pistols. But even the pistols - at least hear in the States - are bringing large price tags

I still think it's a nice piece and would not mind having it myself. Still looking

Thanks for posting. Rick.

Cerjak · 22nd February 2015, 08:47 PM

I still try to ID this mark and I have found an interesting book but in Russian ,so I can only watch the picture.
See below some pages from this interesting book.

Cerjak · 22nd February 2015, 08:53 PM

more pic

drac2k · 23rd February 2015, 02:19 PM

Very nice rifle ! On a related note of your post, how does one get rid of these wood boring insects.In the past I have wrapped the item and put it in a freezer for a prolonged period of time. It seems to have worked, however in the back of my mind, I've always been worried that they were only in hibernation and they could reappear.

Ken Maddock · 23rd February 2015, 06:02 PM

I get a plastic bag and put item into bag along with some chloroform
leave in a warm place and let solvent evaporate
DO NOT do this if your item is varnished (or painted) as the varnish will lift, fine on waxed or just old timber items an does not affect platina.
regards
ken

drac2k · 24th February 2015, 12:16 AM

Thanks for the information !

Will M · 24th February 2015, 05:48 AM

I have used a large barn beam for a mantle and where it had some splits I noticed sawdust accumulating after a time. The beam did have some small holes so I sprayed it with Raid bug spray and that stopped the sawdust, and now a year later nothing.

KraVseR · 24th February 2015, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

more pic

It's translated like "samples of brands on crimean barrels".

Cerjak · 28th February 2015, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KraVseR

It's translated like "samples of brands on crimean barrels".

Thank you for the translation

Best

Cerjak

30th June 2012, 06:36 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Nice miquelet Gun for ID Hi Everbody This is some pics froma nice gun but the stock had been brocken . Wondering if with this damage it still good to be in a collection . The barrel is so heavy and I supose that many of them was broken because of the weight . Any comment on it will be welcome. Regards Cerjak Attached Images

30th June 2012, 08:49 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,598	Hi Cerjak, A Caucasian Miquelet rifle, not that thick on the ground so despite condition, which could be repaired much better, could be worth adding to your collection. I suspect the galloping woodworm may have more to do with the break in the stock than a weighty barrel and the woodworm is the one thing than would make me cautious about adding this rifle to my collection. I have seen furniture with less wormholes that looked ok on the outside but were bereft of any substance inside. I have attached a few photos of mine for comparison although it is of a plainer type. My Regards, Norman. Attached Images

30th June 2012, 10:33 PM	#6
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,598	Hi Cerjack, My rifle, unfortunately, is not in perfect condition, it is missing the front barrel band and the ramrod shaft has been replaced at some time but apart from that it is pretty good. If the woodworm on yours has been treated correctly it should give you no more problems but I think in time the repairs to the stock could be done better and the wormholes hidden with a good furniture restorers wax. I agree it is a form of rifle that is difficult to come by without paying a lot and you are lucky to get one at a reasonable price. It is a nice and unusual piece with a lovely barrel, thank you for posting it. If you use the search for "Miquelet" you will get more detailed photos of my example and a couple of period photos of these rifles. My Regards, Norman. Last edited by Norman McCormick; 1st July 2012 at 12:24 AM.

22nd February 2015, 08:47 PM	#8
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	I still try to ID this mark and I have found an interesting book but in Russian ,so I can only watch the picture. See below some pages from this interesting book. Attached Images

22nd February 2015, 08:53 PM	#9
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	more pic Attached Images

30th June 2012, 07:11 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Nice piece. Love the twist core barrel.

30th June 2012, 08:55 PM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,625	Lovely gun! I guess it is from Persia or the Caucasus with this stock. Teodor

2nd July 2012, 08:34 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,623	Hi Cerjak. Nice looking Caucasian rifle. Maybe a bit of Persian influence on the lock. Is the barrel rifled or smoothbore? Agree with Norman about the wormholes. Have to be careful. But, as Norman says the break in the stock can be repaired better at a later date. The color and grain of the wood on this piece - as well as the barrel - are very attractive. I've been looking for one of these Caucasian long arms myself for quite a while. And your right, the prices for Causasian weapons - especially the guns - seems to be going through the roof, especially the last 6-7 years. The long arms are more difficult to locate than the pistols. But even the pistols - at least hear in the States - are bringing large price tags I still think it's a nice piece and would not mind having it myself. Still looking Thanks for posting. Rick.

23rd February 2015, 02:19 PM	#10
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,232	Very nice rifle ! On a related note of your post, how does one get rid of these wood boring insects.In the past I have wrapped the item and put it in a freezer for a prolonged period of time. It seems to have worked, however in the back of my mind, I've always been worried that they were only in hibernation and they could reappear.

23rd February 2015, 06:02 PM	#11
Ken Maddock Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Ireland Posts: 104	I get a plastic bag and put item into bag along with some chloroform leave in a warm place and let solvent evaporate DO NOT do this if your item is varnished (or painted) as the varnish will lift, fine on waxed or just old timber items an does not affect platina. regards ken

24th February 2015, 12:16 AM	#12
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,232	Thanks for the information !

24th February 2015, 05:48 AM	#13
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 391	I have used a large barn beam for a mantle and where it had some splits I noticed sawdust accumulating after a time. The beam did have some small holes so I sprayed it with Raid bug spray and that stopped the sawdust, and now a year later nothing.