Moroccan Koummya blade mark ID

mariusgmioc · 10th March 2018, 08:28 PM

Hello,

Just got this Moroccan Koummya with a rather strange (to me) blade marking.

It is 41 cm (16") long, has a bone (or some kind of antler) hilt and silver armatures, hallmarked with the Moroccan ram mark.

Can anybody identify the marking (man's face) on the blade?!

Any other comments are welcomed!

Regards,

Marius

Kubur · 10th March 2018, 09:52 PM

Hi Marius,

Woaw that's a very nice catch.
One of the best kind of koummya to me, they are called hancer or khanjar!
I like their massive hilt and pommel.
For the stamp, these kind of stamps are from the the very end of the 19th and early 20th, 1920ties.
The human face from the end of 19th is Napoleon III, for your stamp maybe Raymond Poincare...
Do you have a silver proof stamp on the sheat?

Best,
Kubur

mariusgmioc · 10th March 2018, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Marius,

Woaw that's a very nice catch.
One of the best kind of koummya to me, they are called hancer or khanjar!
I like their massive hilt and pommel.
For the stamp, these kind of stamps are from the the very end of the 19th and early 20th, 1920ties.
The human face from the end of 19th is Napoleon III, for your stamp maybe Raymond Poincare...
Do you have a silver proof stamp on the sheat?

Best,
Kubur

Hello Kubur and thank you for your comments!

Yes, the ram mark for 800 silver is on all fittings, hilt and scabbard. I believe the ram mark was used after 1925.

And the guy on the blade certainly looks like Raymond Poincare. But why would his face be on a Moroccan knife blade?

Sajen · 11th March 2018, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

But why would his face be on a Moroccan knife blade?

Hi Marius,

because it's an imported european blade. When you search a little bit in old threads you will see some more european marks on koummya blades, very common!

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · 11th March 2018, 11:05 AM

Have a look to this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=Koummya Post #12 in special!

mariusgmioc · 11th March 2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Marius,

because it's an imported european blade. When you search a little bit in old threads you will see some more european marks on koummya blades, very common!

Regards,
Detlef

Hello Detlef,

I was aware of Koummyas with imported French blades, but those usually bore the Eiffel tower mark. Didn't find any reference about blades with face mark. However, the general aspect of the mark certainly looks very European.

Regards,

Marius

Sajen · 11th March 2018, 11:18 AM

Do have had a look to the given old thread?

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10th March 2018, 08:28 PM	#1
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,903	Moroccan Koummya blade mark ID Hello, Just got this Moroccan Koummya with a rather strange (to me) blade marking. It is 41 cm (16") long, has a bone (or some kind of antler) hilt and silver armatures, hallmarked with the Moroccan ram mark. Can anybody identify the marking (man's face) on the blade?! Any other comments are welcomed! Regards, Marius Attached Images

10th March 2018, 09:52 PM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Marius, Woaw that's a very nice catch. One of the best kind of koummya to me, they are called hancer or khanjar! I like their massive hilt and pommel. For the stamp, these kind of stamps are from the the very end of the 19th and early 20th, 1920ties. The human face from the end of 19th is Napoleon III, for your stamp maybe Raymond Poincare... Do you have a silver proof stamp on the sheat? Best, Kubur

11th March 2018, 11:05 AM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,761	Have a look to this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=Koummya Post #12 in special!