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I love the old painted hilts .
![]() Interesting 'divot' in the sorsoran . Not sure about the mendak/selut being Bali .. ![]() Nice ! |
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Nice hilt.
The selut is something bugis / malay. Remove it and the hilt will look even better. Maybe a nice simple uwer can be placed under the ukiran, but I think even without an uwer the hilt will look very nice. As for te blade. lots of lu(c)ks. A bit above my standard. ![]() |
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This is a peculiar keris.
The hilt does appear to originate from Bali, but it is not a traditional style nor motif. The blade does not have the overall form of a Bali keris, as there are too many waves, the blade angle and proportions do not really fit Bali, the pamor does not look quite right, the garap does not look quite right --- without the handle I might be inclined to think Lombok, but together with the handle I feel that if I had it in my hand I'd be thinking current era Madura. It is quite possible that the hilt could be a Madura creation as well. The hilt ring/pendongkok/mendak is a Bugis (generic) form. Is there a scabbard? From what I can see in the photo my impression is that I am looking at a dealer's marriage of fairly recent pieces. Sorry. |
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is possible to see the hit by profile and by back?
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Thanks
I bought it on a market very cheaply so I am not disappointed. It remains pleasant to look. I'm going to add pictures. Regards Emmanuel |
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Yes Marco, quite similar, but I feel that the key word here is "traditional", by which I mean a motif predating the current era.
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For example on pag.30 of Jensen's work krisdisk (Bali section) there is a "traditional" hit with the same haircut....
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In javanese, keris with many luks (more than 13 luks) is called as "kalawija" -- unordinary but still within pakem. Please compare with this Mataram style "kalawija" with 29 luks (Emmanuel's keris is with 27 luks) with dhapur of "Kalabendu"... Overall length of the blade is 36 cm without peksi, or 41 cm with peksi. I apologize to you all to deal with this "show and tell" game. This is IMO one of the best way to make visually comparison in appreciating this keris world, if we don't have the real keris in our hand. Or is it useless? Pls see Erik's thread too on his balinese 'kalawija' http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8855 and this old thread on 'kalawija' http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=kalawija GANJAWULUNG Last edited by ganjawulung; 31st July 2009 at 08:15 AM. |
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Ganjawulung,
The immense knowledge of people like you is the great and most welcome possibility for me to learn about keris and history. Thank you very much. |
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Yes, good question David.
This is term that I have taken to using, its not one that is is in general widespread usage. To be honest, I am torn between two, or perhaps three or even four points of demarcation. One point would be from around the mid-1970's, when the keris in Jawa began its revival. A second point would be after the Japanese occupation of what is now Indonesia , ceased. A third point would be from the beginning of the 20th century. The fourth, and perhaps most logical point would be from approximately 1940, when the Second World War caused the disappearance of the old way of life in South East Asia. I still haven't firmed up on exactly what I think "current era" should mean, but taking the all inclusive view, it must be at least after the beginning of the 20th century. Indonesians themselves have taken to a fifth point of demarcation, which is the period following the declaration of Indonesian independence:- 17th August 1945. |
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