Modern barong and kampilan?

Edmos1212 · 17th March 2014, 04:15 AM

Guys, for your comments....

David · 17th March 2014, 12:00 PM

Well, the carvings are attractive, so i'd say these would make nice wall hangers. But frankly the blade quality doesn't seem to be there and from my perspective it is the blade that draw me to collect this stuff, not necessarily the furniture that accompanies it. We all collect for different purposes, of course, but i think many of us with an interest in Moro weapons are drawn by the history of the conflicts in the region and prefer historically relevant weapons in our collections. I think you will find that often enough a good, honest, but plain old Moro battle sword can still be found for not that much more than these fancy carved wall hangers.

VANDOO · 17th March 2014, 04:05 PM

THE WORKMANSHIP ON ALL FITTINGS IS VERY WELL DONE AND OF HIGH QUALITY, THE BLADES NOT SO MUCH. THE BARONG SEEMS TO HAVE TOO MUCH HANDLE AND NOT ENOUGH BLADE AND THE SHAPE IS NOT A NORMAL MORO FORM. NOTE THE TWO PROTRUSIONS NEAR THE FORTE AND THE RIDGE DOWN THE BLADE. THE BONE CARVING IS BEAUTIFUL AND SOMETHING I HAVE NOT SEEN ON A MORO SWORD MORE LIKE DAYAK, INDONESIAN OR MALAY WORK. THE METAL GRIP IS VERY WELL DONE BUT FITTED TO THE HANDLE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I SEE ON OLDER MORO BARONGS. I LIKE THE WORKMANSHIP AND FORM BUT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FULL INFORMATION, WHO MADE IT, WHEN IT WAS MADE AND WHERE IT WAS MADE. I DO PREFER THE OLD ITEMS WITH A HISTORY IN THE TIMES WHEN THEY WERE USED AS INTENDED. BUT WILL COLLECT NEWER VARIATIONS TOO. BUT I LIKE TO HAVE THEM WITH PROPER PROVENANCE WHICH IS SOMETHING NOT POSSIBLE ON MOST OLDER ITEMS. ONE ADVANTAGE ON THE NEWER ART WEAPONS IS PROVENANCE IS AVAILABLE BUT OFTEN INTENTIONALLY HIDDEN SO AS TO PASS OFF THE ITEM AS A OLD ONE. THAT IS UNFORTUNATE AS THE NEW ITEMS DO HAVE A PLACE IN THE CURRENT SOCIETY BUT NO PLACE IN THE OLD. IF MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES GIVE THE INFORMATION. EVEN IF IT IS MADE IN INDONESIA IN THE LAST 20 YEARS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE, WHEN AND BY WHO IT WAS MADE. PERHAPS THE MAKER WILL BECOME A FAMOUS MASTER OF THE CRAFT IN TODAYS WORLD AND ATTRACT COLLECTORS ON HIS OWN MERIT.

THE CARVING ON THE KAMPILIAN AND SCABBARD IS VERY GOOD TOO BUT ONCE AGAIN THE BLADE FALLS SHORT OF THE MARK. THE SIZE OF THE TWO WEAPONS LOOKS A BIT SHORT AS WELL WHAT ARE THE MEASUREMENTS?
I DO LIKE THEM BECAUSE OF THE WORKMANSHIP AND AS MODERN ART BUT NOT ETHINOGRAPHIC ART AS I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEM.

Battara · 17th March 2014, 08:25 PM

I have nothing to add except that is Maranao work. They are also making barongs now.

Cthulhu · 11th April 2014, 09:40 PM

I agree with the preceding comments, and that the blade shape on the one isn't a proper barong shape. Except that I think (I hope) that the center ridge, while unusual, isn't a disqualifying characteristic for a Moro barong. I have a vested interest in this, of course, because I own just such a ridged barong that I assumed was an unusual Moro piece.

17th March 2014, 04:15 AM	#1
Edmos1212 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 23	Modern barong and kampilan? Guys, for your comments.... Attached Images

17th March 2014, 12:00 PM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,121	Well, the carvings are attractive, so i'd say these would make nice wall hangers. But frankly the blade quality doesn't seem to be there and from my perspective it is the blade that draw me to collect this stuff, not necessarily the furniture that accompanies it. We all collect for different purposes, of course, but i think many of us with an interest in Moro weapons are drawn by the history of the conflicts in the region and prefer historically relevant weapons in our collections. I think you will find that often enough a good, honest, but plain old Moro battle sword can still be found for not that much more than these fancy carved wall hangers. Last edited by David; 12th April 2014 at 12:37 AM.

11th April 2014, 09:40 PM	#5
Cthulhu Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Central Valley, California Posts: 46	I agree with the preceding comments, and that the blade shape on the one isn't a proper barong shape. Except that I think (I hope) that the center ridge, while unusual, isn't a disqualifying characteristic for a Moro barong. I have a vested interest in this, of course, because I own just such a ridged barong that I assumed was an unusual Moro piece. Attached Images

17th March 2014, 04:05 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE WORKMANSHIP ON ALL FITTINGS IS VERY WELL DONE AND OF HIGH QUALITY, THE BLADES NOT SO MUCH. THE BARONG SEEMS TO HAVE TOO MUCH HANDLE AND NOT ENOUGH BLADE AND THE SHAPE IS NOT A NORMAL MORO FORM. NOTE THE TWO PROTRUSIONS NEAR THE FORTE AND THE RIDGE DOWN THE BLADE. THE BONE CARVING IS BEAUTIFUL AND SOMETHING I HAVE NOT SEEN ON A MORO SWORD MORE LIKE DAYAK, INDONESIAN OR MALAY WORK. THE METAL GRIP IS VERY WELL DONE BUT FITTED TO THE HANDLE A BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I SEE ON OLDER MORO BARONGS. I LIKE THE WORKMANSHIP AND FORM BUT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FULL INFORMATION, WHO MADE IT, WHEN IT WAS MADE AND WHERE IT WAS MADE. I DO PREFER THE OLD ITEMS WITH A HISTORY IN THE TIMES WHEN THEY WERE USED AS INTENDED. BUT WILL COLLECT NEWER VARIATIONS TOO. BUT I LIKE TO HAVE THEM WITH PROPER PROVENANCE WHICH IS SOMETHING NOT POSSIBLE ON MOST OLDER ITEMS. ONE ADVANTAGE ON THE NEWER ART WEAPONS IS PROVENANCE IS AVAILABLE BUT OFTEN INTENTIONALLY HIDDEN SO AS TO PASS OFF THE ITEM AS A OLD ONE. THAT IS UNFORTUNATE AS THE NEW ITEMS DO HAVE A PLACE IN THE CURRENT SOCIETY BUT NO PLACE IN THE OLD. IF MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES GIVE THE INFORMATION. EVEN IF IT IS MADE IN INDONESIA IN THE LAST 20 YEARS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE, WHEN AND BY WHO IT WAS MADE. PERHAPS THE MAKER WILL BECOME A FAMOUS MASTER OF THE CRAFT IN TODAYS WORLD AND ATTRACT COLLECTORS ON HIS OWN MERIT. THE CARVING ON THE KAMPILIAN AND SCABBARD IS VERY GOOD TOO BUT ONCE AGAIN THE BLADE FALLS SHORT OF THE MARK. THE SIZE OF THE TWO WEAPONS LOOKS A BIT SHORT AS WELL WHAT ARE THE MEASUREMENTS? I DO LIKE THEM BECAUSE OF THE WORKMANSHIP AND AS MODERN ART BUT NOT ETHINOGRAPHIC ART AS I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEM.

17th March 2014, 08:25 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I have nothing to add except that is Maranao work. They are also making barongs now.