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Hello Lads,
I was examining my tulwars today and thought about the durability of the hilts. There are no rivets and the blade is held by resin, Seems to me that it would fail after extensive combat? Also, why are they made so uncomfortable? perhaps there is a style which makes use of the disk pommel but to me it looks more of a hinderance rather then anything else. Its strange considering the military history of that part of the world. |
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Hi Abdulallatif,
It seems this questions comes back up for discussion every once in a while ![]() The disk pommel has also come up before. Among the tulwars I own, those with sufficiently-large handle to fit my hand do not pose problems. I actually find the pommel snug and quite comfortable, it stays locked in my hand and can't slide out. This design was used for centuries so it must have been adequate within the styles of combat used. Check out Shastar-Vidiya and Gatka videos for an indication of how the tulwar might have been used. Tulwars are some of my favourite swords, I live the overall design and the handle/pommel disk is a major component of that. All the best, Emanuel |
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The resin that holds tulwar hilts on is actually rather good at its job!
Solid with just a little flex, strong, lasts indefinately and acts as a good shock absorber. Easy to repair, easy to replace, easy to swap out blades, secure and concealed in the hilt...... As for the fencing style of the Tulwar.... There are undoubtedly significant differences in the fencing techniques of a 'shamhir' or European Sabre type hilt and a narrow wide disk Tulwar hilt. These are clear whenever we see anyone practicing with a tulwar: Tulwar moves - single sword. Tulwar moves 2 swords When we think of the grip for instance, the sabre hilt allows for a 'looser' more variable 'fluid' grip, whereas the tulwar hilt needs a more constant firm grip. Consequently there is also a significant difference in the range of available wrist movement which would affect the technique, making the cuts more 'pull' than 'push'. I've tried to illustrate the problems in thinking about fencing with a tulwar in terms of 'european' type sabre moves with a few pictures showing the difficulties of a full lunge with a tulwar: |
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Also, remember how 'impressed' the British were by the wounds inflicted by Tulwars!
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I guess there are several manufacture methods for the tulwar hilt.
I have noticed the stick tang in the resin but I have also noted full partial tang within resin to, the tang end being peened over and forming part of the ball seen to the pommel. Both have an amazing resisitance to the stresses and shocks of combat. I did seek further input on the subject of hilt manufacture some time back but no one ran with it, another of those too hard questions I guess, I do ask a lot of those ![]() Gav Last edited by freebooter; 12th April 2011 at 10:00 AM. |
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![]() the french also were 'impressed' by the 1796LC sword when wellington's troops used it in spain, complaining about it's horrible wounds. those British officers who thought they knew better, shortly after had their troopers 'spearpoint' the blades & latter issue sabres/swords got progresively straighter as the ossifer class decided a thrust was better than a cut. that of course has been discussed ad nauseum. (i personally think the disabling cut was better than the killing thrust, as it takes more resources and manpower to look after a wounded man than a dead one. a better strategic result) Last edited by kronckew; 12th April 2011 at 09:54 AM. |
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Excellent points! As you say the discussion on effectiveness of sword types is a well trodden path. The battle effectiveness of the 'slash' or cut from a curved blade is indeed in the debilitating nature of the injury not the speed at which it causes death. A thrust may cause any number of fatal wounds but still allow the victim to fight on for precious moments, or even minutes. A slash or long cut may lack depth but be immediately debilitating, removing the victim from combat, tieing up valuable resources in treatment etc. |
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Awesome fella's thanks for the info. These tulwars are really interesting works of art. I think tulwar hilts and Tsuba's can be collected alone without blades just out of sheer beauty.
About LC 1796, i have this idea running through my mind for a while now about getting 3 LC 1796 blades and rehilting them in Syrian, Saudi and Persian styles with respective scabbards. Either LC 1796 or indian blades since those were favoured by arabs of old. You guys think its a good idea? will probably be exhausting since i have to travel to syria but Dom have done me lots of help by giving me the number + email of a syrian bladesmith! ![]() |
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