I do not know mark...

[Multumesc]

I have a sword that is the sign of the image. Plase help me to identify. Thank you.

[Henk]

A picture of the whole sword can be useful to identify your sword

[Atlantia]

Looks like a coronet over something.
Coronet seems to have seven pearls?
Austrian/German?
A Freiherrnkrone (Barons Coronet)?

Is that a knotted rope underneath? A naval symbol?

[Rick]

A Pretzel ?

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Rick

A Pretzel ?

Make it the King of Pretzels, until Multumesc shows us the complete sword

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Looks like a coronet over something.
Coronet seems to have seven pearls?
Austrian/German?
A Freiherrnkrone (Barons Coronet)? ...

It depends on which country. I guess in UK it has six pearls; in Portugal a Baron coronet doesn't even have 'standing up' pearls, only a round 'pearled' shape coronet.
Mind you, the counting of the pearls is usualy that of the frontal view. Indeed being the crown/coronet a three dimension object, the actual number of pearls is higher. Apparently and for example, the coronet of a (Portuguese) count (Earl) is said to have nine balls, but the actual number is sixteen.

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[Atlantia]

Hi Nando.
Indeed, the only seven pearl coronet I could find was:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronet

From Wiki:

"The Holy Roman Empire, and consequently its successor states – Austria, Germany and others – had a system very similar to that of the British, although the design varied.
The normal Adelskrone for lower nobility ("Laubkrone") is a golden ring with pearls and precious stones that features eight tines of which typically only five are visible. Of these, the central and outer tines are normally leaves, whereas the others are headed by pearls. In the southern states of Bavaria and Württemberg quite often all tines are headed by pearls.
The Freiherrnkrone (baron's coronet) shows seven tines with pearls."

[Multumesc]

I have attached a picture of the sword has a total length 103cm.

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Multumesc

I have attached a picture of the sword has a total length 103cm.

What is the sword?
Austrian M1861 Infantry Officers?

That would fit with my initial thoughts that the Coronet was representing an Austrian/German 'Freiherrnkrone' (Barons Coronet)

I'd guess it might just be a makers stamp? You could look for late 19thC Austrian German makers who use a coronet as a stamp.

Does the pommel nut unscrew to allow for stripping?
If so you might be able to see whatever that is that is partially obscured above the 'crown and rope'?

Are there any other markings on it?

[Multumesc]

I have attached two images with screw loosened, but can not remove the handle that is riveted. Please advice. Thanks.

[Jim McDougall]

I think Gene has been pretty much spot on throughout on this, and with the Austrian assessment. Interesting detective work by him and Fernando on the crown, and these are always compelling clues in identifying markings. Often books on coins of the period can be revealing when trying to identify royal markings and cyphers as well.
I think the Austrians were often supplied by Solingen in these times and I think at least one Solingen maker used the crown but havent got it handy at the moment. Most Austrian makers or importers are listed in Bezdeks compendium.

[Atlantia]

That's interesting, so it's peened tang with a covering nut.
I wouldn't attempt any firther disassembly if it's not willing.

I don't know a lot about these swords but the M1861 was a long lived pattern (as these late sabres often are) so there is a fairly good chance that the Crown/Coronet and rope mark will be noted on other examples.
Try googling 'Austrian M 1861 Infantry Officers sword' and you should be able to find many dozens if not hundreds to compare with yours. You could get lucky and find the same mark on another.

[Hotspur]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Hi Nando.
Indeed, the only seven pearl coronet I could find was:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronet

From Wiki:

"The Holy Roman Empire, and consequently its successor states – Austria, Germany and others – had a system very similar to that of the British, although the design varied.
The normal Adelskrone for lower nobility ("Laubkrone") is a golden ring with pearls and precious stones that features eight tines of which typically only five are visible. Of these, the central and outer tines are normally leaves, whereas the others are headed by pearls. In the southern states of Bavaria and Württemberg quite often all tines are headed by pearls.
The Freiherrnkrone (baron's coronet) shows seven tines with pearls."

I'll raise your eight and show nine. Second empire French sword.



Cheers

GC

[Multumesc]

We present the restored sword.It took me some time until I cleaned it.

[Multumesc]

What do you think?

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Hotspur

I'll raise your eight and show nine. Second empire French sword.



Cheers

GC

LOL! Very nice Glen.
Do you have any info on the mark as it relates to your sword?

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Multumesc

What do you think?

Very nice.
It's a good sword and looks better for the clean up.
Well done.

[Hotspur]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

LOL! Very nice Glen.
Do you have any info on the mark as it relates to your sword?

Actually, I had posted a thread here some time ago with litle response but did have a few thoughts of my own.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15808

I also posted of it a couple of times at SFI and did receive some new information from respondents. However, nothing about the crown. My only thoughts were that whatever other detail once shown had been obliterated to remove any imperial connotations and then used beyond the second empire.

http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...fantry-Pattern

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The clean up of the topic sword in this thread looks a thousand times better. I know many are reluctant to do much of anything to old swords but careful restoration to at least control corrosion and then bring back some appearances really does benefit an object to some extent.

Cheers

GC

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Hotspur

Actually, I had posted a thread here some time ago with litle response but did have a few thoughts of my own.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15808

I also posted of it a couple of times at SFI and did receive some new information from respondents. However, nothing about the crown. My only thoughts were that whatever other detail once shown had been obliterated to remove any imperial connotations and then used beyond the second empire.

http://www.swordforum.com/forums/sho...fantry-Pattern

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The clean up of the topic sword in this thread looks a thousand times better. I know many are reluctant to do much of anything to old swords but careful restoration to at least control corrosion and then bring back some appearances really does benefit an object to some extent.

Cheers

GC

Thats a beaut of a sword you've got there Glen. I had to bump the thread I'm afraid.

I quite agree that some gentle cleaning and restoration is fine.
As you say, stop the rot and restore some condition.

Best
Gene

[fernando]

Hi Claudiu,
Have you read my PM ?

[Multumesc]

Thank you so much for the mesage and I like to sit in discussions on old weapons. Claudiu