Some Sword in Thailand

Bancha Thongkomol · 11th May 2006, 12:23 PM

Hi all
I'm new menber
Stay in Bangkok Thailand
Poor in English

Love to study in Thai's Sword and have some

This is some Pic

18C-19C

all is my Sword

For more Pic http://thaiblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1854

MABAGANI · 11th May 2006, 12:45 PM

Greetings Bancha Thongkomol!
Thanks for sharing your photos.
I'm becoming intrigued by the shape of the Thai swords and wonder how they handle in test cutting, dhafia beware...lolz
Don't worry about your English, you are communicating fine, we are for the most part collectors, learning and sharing, also.
MABAGANI

Spunjer · 11th May 2006, 01:28 PM

welcome bancha!

i'm intrigued at the second blade... how old is it?

Ian · 11th May 2006, 01:49 PM

Bancha.

Thanks for posting these pictures and the link to the Thai Blade Forum (unfortunately I don't read Thai). Very interesting pictures of some old blades. Do you know from which parts of Thailand these blades came? Is it possible that a couple of them may be Cambodian in origin?

Look forward to seeing more of your collection.

Regards,

Ian.

Mark · 11th May 2006, 04:09 PM

Bancha,

Very nice daab! Those of us who collect them are always hungry for information - about age, about styles, about manufacture. It is great to see such a nice historical collection as yours.

Bancha Thongkomol · 13th May 2006, 12:40 AM

They are many sword most from a Ayutthaya 75 KM Nort Bangkok Old Capital in 16C - 18C
The blades

Sword no 1 Top is from Ayutthaya 17C-19C this styles found in Thailand and Cambodia

Sword no 2 Is Rattanakosin ( Bangkok) Art on 19C

Sword no 3 From Chopaya river at Ayutthaya Prov. Some One Diving and Fount
I don’t Clean it so want to show Blade & Tang angle . This From How to Use
Thai use sword in Same Logic of Muay Thai (Not Sport) maybe like this
http://www.muaychaiya.com/index_en.html

Titus Pullo · 13th May 2006, 06:48 AM

Hey! Thanks for the links! Incase you might like to know, I'm a Thai, too, and I love Thai Krabi-krabong, both with weapon (especially swords) and empty hand!

Oh, I almost forgot! You can call me Knot! That's what they call me in Thai.

Bancha Thongkomol · 14th May 2006, 12:58 AM

Hi Titus Pullo ........ My phone is 098107559

Sword 4 That about 500 year or more of Sukothai Prov.

D Wilke · 14th May 2006, 12:30 PM

Bancha, Yin dee don rap. Love the swords and even more than that the way you classified them by period. Would love to talk to you reference this. Will be in Thailand 3-23 July would like to meet and discuss swords. Can I call when I get into town?

Pope gern mai

Khun Dang

Bancha Thongkomol · 14th May 2006, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D Wilke

Bancha, Yin dee don rap. Love the swords and even more than that the way you classified them by period. Would love to talk to you reference this. Will be in Thailand 3-23 July would like to meet and discuss swords. Can I call when I get into town?

Pope gern mai

Khun Dang

The way to classified them by period

1. Matching the Royal's Sword If some part same
2. Histry Art of Thai in Ayutthaya and Rattanakosin(BKK) Period
3. Origin of Sword some from Chopaya river in Ayutthaya Prov
4. The Technical >>> How that Sword Made One in Ayutthaya Period The the middle Part of the is fat (like me

) This Design protect the blade Out of the Handle

Yas Khun Dang can call to me

Sword 5 and 7 from Chopaya river in Ayutthaya Prov
No 7 ฟืก 8 We Call Hoa Pla Lod Blade (http://www.fishbase.org/comnames/Com...autoctr=129146)

Bancha Thongkomol · 14th May 2006, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D Wilke

Bancha, Yin dee don rap. Love the swords and even more than that the way you classified them by period. Would love to talk to you reference this. Will be in Thailand 3-23 July would like to meet and discuss swords. Can I call when I get into town?

Pope gern mai

Khun Dang

The way to classified them by period

1. Matching the Royal's Sword If some part same
2. Histry Art of Thai in Ayutthaya and Rattanakosin(BKK) Period
3. Origin of Sword some from Chopaya river in Ayutthaya Prov
4. The Technical >>> How that Sword Made One in Ayutthaya Period The the middle Part of the is fat (like me

) This Design protect the blade Out of the Handle

Yas Khun Dang can call to me

Sword 5 and 7 from Chopaya river in Ayutthaya Prov
No 7 and 8 We Call Hoa Pla Lod Blade (http://www.fishbase.org/comnames/Com...autoctr=129146)

Titus Pullo · 14th May 2006, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bancha Thongkomol

Hi Titus Pullo ........ My phone is 098107559

Sword 4 That about 500 year or more of Sukothai Prov.

thank you for the phone number! I might call you sometime.

Mark · 14th May 2006, 07:44 PM

Wonderful information! Can you elaborate a little on the technical aspects of dating daab? Is it mostly style (shape), or are there manufaturing methods or materials that can help date?

PS: Hi Dan!

jamesj975 · 15th May 2006, 06:35 AM

bancha as Mark says, how we figure out what period or place they are from is sawnchai maak. i noticed that the National museum used this period classification also, but there was nothing that explained it.

P.S. Hi back at you Mark, survived another 6 months and am heading home next week.

Khun Dang

D Wilke · 15th May 2006, 06:43 AM

Sorry was using my buddy's log-in on that last post.

Dan

Bancha Thongkomol · 15th May 2006, 01:12 PM

PUFF · 15th May 2006, 04:24 PM

I just talked with Khun Bancha yesterday...

For the questions, regarding to Dahbs ID, You will need to generalrize typical characteristics for Dahbs from different age and locale. So you will need to examine "population" of Dahbs.

Sometime, you will also need to associate "art" on the sword with other native stuff (pottery, temple etc.)

For Dahbs ID, Khun Bancha seems to use tang tyle/geometry, tang tilt, spine curve, edge curve, point style, tapering style, ratio between different regions, blade material etc.

In many case, he also ID from hilt and scabbard. Only problems s' that some blades are come with new hilt or scabbard (or both).

The story 's even more complicate. When some Dahbs were made to order and shipped to another city for sale. Smiths had produced the Dahbs in end-user style with a hint of the smiths characteristic. Another problem 's smiths themself migrated from one city to another (as prisoner of war).

To overcome these problems, you will need to study them for decads (which I think you were

) and travel to many places in SEA (seems to be a some problem for you).

I, myself, lack of decades experience. So I will need to learn from Khun Bancha and his [Dahb expert] friends. I invited him to this lovely forum and I hope that you may pick up some idea from his collection

For Khun Bancha, is it better to show only one Dahb at a time with an extensive description about how did you get an idea for its age and locale.

Andrew · 15th May 2006, 06:02 PM

Khun Bancha:

Thank you for showing us some of your daab and sharing information.

I'm particularly interested in hearing more about the third sword from the bottom in the last picture you posted.

Best,
Andrew

Angren · 15th May 2006, 10:39 PM

SabbaiDee! Do you now any Lao?

Realy great swords!

RSWORD · 15th May 2006, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bancha Thongkomol

As you can imagine, this picture with the lovely swords will generate many questions. Mine is in regards to the sword pictured on the bottom. I have a similar example, albeit, much shorter but with similar handle with the same brass nail work in the handle, same handle profile and blade has marking. I will post a picture of my example tonight for comparison purpose.

Bancha Thongkomol · 16th May 2006, 12:17 PM

Last pic

Top no 1 is Siver Sword can Found this Style in Central, North of Thai (Nan Prov.and around) and Lao

No.2 Central to North Style . We Call this Blade is Hoa-Mon

No.3 Form Lao the Handle is siver about 18C-19C We found this style in Lao's Royal Family (Viceroy)

No.4 (Central to North Style) - No 5 (Thai+Japnese Style) Comming Soon

(I will go Home)

No.6 Cambodia Sword

Bancha Thongkomol · 18th May 2006, 11:55 PM

Sword no 4 19C Central+ North Style iron handdle
Sword no 5 19C Thai+Japnese Style masame hada made in Thailand

11th May 2006, 12:23 PM	#1
Bancha Thongkomol Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16	Some Sword in Thailand Hi all I'm new menber Stay in Bangkok Thailand Poor in English Love to study in Thai's Sword and have some This is some Pic 18C-19C all is my Sword For more Pic http://thaiblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1854

11th May 2006, 01:49 PM	#4
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,203	Welcome ... Bancha. Thanks for posting these pictures and the link to the Thai Blade Forum (unfortunately I don't read Thai). Very interesting pictures of some old blades. Do you know from which parts of Thailand these blades came? Is it possible that a couple of them may be Cambodian in origin? Look forward to seeing more of your collection. Regards, Ian.

14th May 2006, 12:30 PM	#9
D Wilke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Okinawa, JN Posts: 22	Sawasdee Bancha, Yin dee don rap. Love the swords and even more than that the way you classified them by period. Would love to talk to you reference this. Will be in Thailand 3-23 July would like to meet and discuss swords. Can I call when I get into town? Pope gern mai Khun Dang

15th May 2006, 06:35 AM	#14
jamesj975 Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4	period Classifiction bancha as Mark says, how we figure out what period or place they are from is sawnchai maak. i noticed that the National museum used this period classification also, but there was nothing that explained it. P.S. Hi back at you Mark, survived another 6 months and am heading home next week. Khun Dang

15th May 2006, 06:43 AM	#15
D Wilke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Okinawa, JN Posts: 22	OOps Sorry was using my buddy's log-in on that last post. Dan

11th May 2006, 12:45 PM	#2
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	Greetings Bancha Thongkomol! Thanks for sharing your photos. I'm becoming intrigued by the shape of the Thai swords and wonder how they handle in test cutting, dhafia beware...lolz Don't worry about your English, you are communicating fine, we are for the most part collectors, learning and sharing, also. MABAGANI

11th May 2006, 01:28 PM	#3
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	welcome bancha! i'm intrigued at the second blade... how old is it?

11th May 2006, 04:09 PM	#5
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Bancha, Very nice daab! Those of us who collect them are always hungry for information - about age, about styles, about manufacture. It is great to see such a nice historical collection as yours.

13th May 2006, 12:40 AM	#6
Bancha Thongkomol Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16	They are many sword most from a Ayutthaya 75 KM Nort Bangkok Old Capital in 16C - 18C The blades Sword no 1 Top is from Ayutthaya 17C-19C this styles found in Thailand and Cambodia Sword no 2 Is Rattanakosin ( Bangkok) Art on 19C Sword no 3 From Chopaya river at Ayutthaya Prov. Some One Diving and Fount I don’t Clean it so want to show Blade & Tang angle . This From How to Use Thai use sword in Same Logic of Muay Thai (Not Sport) maybe like this http://www.muaychaiya.com/index_en.html

13th May 2006, 06:48 AM	#7
Titus Pullo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 123	Hey! Thanks for the links! Incase you might like to know, I'm a Thai, too, and I love Thai Krabi-krabong, both with weapon (especially swords) and empty hand! Oh, I almost forgot! You can call me Knot! That's what they call me in Thai.

14th May 2006, 12:58 AM	#8
Bancha Thongkomol Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16	Hi Titus Pullo ........ My phone is 098107559 Sword 4 That about 500 year or more of Sukothai Prov.

14th May 2006, 07:44 PM	#13
Mark Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 987	Wonderful information! Can you elaborate a little on the technical aspects of dating daab? Is it mostly style (shape), or are there manufaturing methods or materials that can help date? PS: Hi Dan!

15th May 2006, 01:12 PM	#16
Bancha Thongkomol Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16

15th May 2006, 04:24 PM	#17
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	I just talked with Khun Bancha yesterday... For the questions, regarding to Dahbs ID, You will need to generalrize typical characteristics for Dahbs from different age and locale. So you will need to examine "population" of Dahbs. Sometime, you will also need to associate "art" on the sword with other native stuff (pottery, temple etc.) For Dahbs ID, Khun Bancha seems to use tang tyle/geometry, tang tilt, spine curve, edge curve, point style, tapering style, ratio between different regions, blade material etc. In many case, he also ID from hilt and scabbard. Only problems s' that some blades are come with new hilt or scabbard (or both). The story 's even more complicate. When some Dahbs were made to order and shipped to another city for sale. Smiths had produced the Dahbs in end-user style with a hint of the smiths characteristic. Another problem 's smiths themself migrated from one city to another (as prisoner of war). To overcome these problems, you will need to study them for decads (which I think you were ) and travel to many places in SEA (seems to be a some problem for you). I, myself, lack of decades experience. So I will need to learn from Khun Bancha and his [Dahb expert] friends. I invited him to this lovely forum and I hope that you may pick up some idea from his collection For Khun Bancha, is it better to show only one Dahb at a time with an extensive description about how did you get an idea for its age and locale.

15th May 2006, 06:02 PM	#18
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Khun Bancha: Thank you for showing us some of your daab and sharing information. I'm particularly interested in hearing more about the third sword from the bottom in the last picture you posted. Best, Andrew

15th May 2006, 10:39 PM	#19
Angren Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10	SabbaiDee! Do you now any Lao? Realy great swords!

16th May 2006, 12:17 PM	#21
Bancha Thongkomol Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16	Last pic Top no 1 is Siver Sword can Found this Style in Central, North of Thai (Nan Prov.and around) and Lao No.2 Central to North Style . We Call this Blade is Hoa-Mon No.3 Form Lao the Handle is siver about 18C-19C We found this style in Lao's Royal Family (Viceroy) No.4 (Central to North Style) - No 5 (Thai+Japnese Style) Comming Soon (I will go Home) No.6 Cambodia Sword

18th May 2006, 11:55 PM	#22
Bancha Thongkomol Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 16	Sword no 4 19C Central+ North Style iron handdle Sword no 5 19C Thai+Japnese Style masame hada made in Thailand