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Hello, everyone.I recently joined this wonderful forum and it is time to ask for your opinion
A few days ago I bought an ottoman kindjal (It is my guess).Unfortunately, the text does not recognize it as Ottoman.Could you please suggest what is this kinjal? Thank you all in advance Last edited by Robert; 19th August 2017 at 03:04 AM. Reason: Please download your photos directly to the forum. |
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I've seen similar inscriptions on Sudanese daggers from late 19th-early 20th centuries. The posted kindjal is rather more ornate, and the inscriptions are more neatly incised, than those I mention. That said, I was surprised to find the back of the dagger to be rather more crudely finished than the front. Is the blade heavy enough to be useful as a weapon?
For those who know, are offset fullers of different origin than the symmetrical ones we see on this blade? I'm not implying Sudanese origin or connection for this dagger, of course, merely noting possible similarities. |
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Hi,
Yes it's an Ottoman kindjal, even a Turkish ottoman kindjal. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ttoman+kindjal Look at his little brother Best, Kubur |
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and here the little sister...
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Thanks for the answers.
I was confident that it's an Ottoman kindjal,but only text disturbs me ![]() I have an idea how it looks Ottoman Turkish text, but this does not seem such as? Some time ago I had two similar ![]() Last edited by Robert; 19th August 2017 at 07:21 PM. Reason: Second Warning, Please download your photos directly to the forum. |
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Thank you for the answer. Earlier I had two such kindjals but I sold them. The text is in Ottoman Turkish. |
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Today I got two interesting kindjals.It seems to me that the first one is made of a piece broken yatagan
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And the last picture.
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In my oppinion these two knives are anything but kindjals! I think you should have opened a new thread for these two knives, as they are not related to the original topic in any way. You are right about the first one being a remounted tip of a broken Yatagan blade. I don't know about the second but it appears to be very crude and poor workmanship. ![]() Last edited by mariusgmioc; 17th September 2017 at 04:54 PM. |
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Thank you for the reply.To really hardly define them as kindjals,but what exactly they are I do not know?
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All true, but with a twist:-)
Kindjal is a Russian name for a Caucasian dagger Khanjali, which in turn is a local phonetic variant of Persian Khandjar. We were influenced by the Russian terminology to imagine kindjals as straight double-edged daggers strictly related to the Caucasus ( or their local variants in the Ottoman areal), but paradoxically in Russia " kindjal" is ANY short-bladed weapon of military/fighting variety. Russian language does not have a special general definition for this class of weapons, as opposed to , say, English "dagger". Thus, in Russian colloquium all the above daggers are "kindjals", just as their off-hand mentioned " kindjal koummya", " kindjal bichhwa" etc. To make things even more confused, Russian regulation military daggers with curved blades are often called " bebut", but I have no knowledge of the origin of this word. They are often defined as " kindjal bebut". Thus, both Marius and Osobist are correct, but from different perspectives. The last one is probably Shibriya made from an old rasp. Last edited by ariel; 17th September 2017 at 09:35 PM. |
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