Help Identifying a sword

Alan62 · 6th January 2007, 08:50 PM

I realize this is not a ethnographic sword but I thought perhaps some of you folks might be able to help me get more detailed information.
I brought this one home today. I am pretty sure it is a Artillery Officer's Sword but I am just a little confused on the era. I believe it is 1812 but am not sure I recognize the makers mark as the importer Schnitzler and Kirschbaum.

Alan62 · 7th January 2007, 02:55 PM

Is Jim McDougal in the room,paging Jim.
Sorry just kidding around ,he has helped me with older non ethno swords in the past.

Jim McDougall · 7th January 2007, 05:58 PM

Hi Alan,
You rang?!!!

While military and regulation patterns arent necessarily ethnographic, they are very much associated and I think they bring some very pertinant perspective into our general studies.

What you have here appears to be a very nice example of an early 19th century British yeomanry officers sabre. These stirrup hilted sabres tended to follow the basic typology of the M1796 cavalry sabres, but typically there was a greater degree of variation in these volunteer cavalry swords. The gilded hilt and ribbed ivory grips were characteristic of these swords and the basic hilt form including langets are consistant with examples of c.1810-30's.

Schnitzler & Kirshbaum were of course Solingen smiths who produced many swords for Great Britain and had been in business since about 1787, so were well established as exporters by this time. While later swords were typically stamped with S & K , there was a trend of marking swords in cursive around the late 1820's through 30's in Solingen it would appear. This certainly was not exclusively the case, however there seem to be a considerable number of examples that reflect this feature.

Nicely patinated example...just the way I like em!!!!

Very nice!

Thanks for sharing this one Alan,

All the best,
Jim

Alan62 · 7th January 2007, 09:49 PM

Thank you Jim,
I will hang this one right next to the last one you helped me on
remember this one......

Thanks agaian Jim for your very detailed information

Jim McDougall · 7th January 2007, 10:04 PM

I sure do Alan!!! Extremely nice swords that will go great together!!!

All the best,
Jim

Alan62 · 8th January 2007, 12:21 AM

Jim if I may impose did you see the Moro Kris and do you have any thoughts on it.
Thanks again

a link to my other thread

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3870

6th January 2007, 08:50 PM	#1
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Help Identifying a sword I realize this is not a ethnographic sword but I thought perhaps some of you folks might be able to help me get more detailed information. I brought this one home today. I am pretty sure it is a Artillery Officer's Sword but I am just a little confused on the era. I believe it is 1812 but am not sure I recognize the makers mark as the importer Schnitzler and Kirschbaum. Last edited by Alan62; 7th January 2007 at 03:31 AM.

7th January 2007, 02:55 PM	#2
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Is Jim McDougal in the room,paging Jim. Sorry just kidding around ,he has helped me with older non ethno swords in the past.

7th January 2007, 05:58 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,899	Hi Alan, You rang?!!! While military and regulation patterns arent necessarily ethnographic, they are very much associated and I think they bring some very pertinant perspective into our general studies. What you have here appears to be a very nice example of an early 19th century British yeomanry officers sabre. These stirrup hilted sabres tended to follow the basic typology of the M1796 cavalry sabres, but typically there was a greater degree of variation in these volunteer cavalry swords. The gilded hilt and ribbed ivory grips were characteristic of these swords and the basic hilt form including langets are consistant with examples of c.1810-30's. Schnitzler & Kirshbaum were of course Solingen smiths who produced many swords for Great Britain and had been in business since about 1787, so were well established as exporters by this time. While later swords were typically stamped with S & K , there was a trend of marking swords in cursive around the late 1820's through 30's in Solingen it would appear. This certainly was not exclusively the case, however there seem to be a considerable number of examples that reflect this feature. Nicely patinated example...just the way I like em!!!! Very nice! Thanks for sharing this one Alan, All the best, Jim

7th January 2007, 09:49 PM	#4
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Thank you Jim, I will hang this one right next to the last one you helped me on remember this one...... Thanks agaian Jim for your very detailed information

7th January 2007, 10:04 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,899	I sure do Alan!!! Extremely nice swords that will go great together!!! All the best, Jim

8th January 2007, 12:21 AM	#6
Alan62 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 164	Jim if I may impose did you see the Moro Kris and do you have any thoughts on it. Thanks again a link to my other thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3870