Badek??

[Maurice]

Hello everyone.
I'm new here and I want to introduce myself.
I'm interested in indonesian \ Malay weapons.
I like them old, but also new made the traditioned way.


I attached the link where you can find some pictures of an item I do not exactly know what it is.
The guy who sold it to me said it was a badek.
Another one told me it could be an old speartip or so, and the grip is not so old as the blade of the 'dagger'.
Can anyone tell me more about this item?

Here's the link.
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=HXNUARMX

Thanks,
Maurice

[Henk]

javagolok,

Welcome to the forum.

I think this is a speartip or a tombak in a kujang or kudi shape. The base of the blade has such a ferule you see on the tombak. The hilt is of a badek shape. Do you also have a scabbard?

[Maurice]

Hello Henk,

That's the same opninion I had.
Unfortunately it came along to me without scabbard.

Thanks for your opinion.

gr.
Maurice

[Alam Shah]

Hi Javagolok,

Welcome to the forum.
I agree with Henk that it looks like a tombak (spearhead) mounted on a Javanese badek hilt. The metuk iras (carved ferrule) looks thin compared to a standard metuk. Normally a javanese spearhead have a longer pesi (tang), but not this one.

VVV's tombak kujang example

My 2 cents worth.

[Maurice]

Hi Alam Shah,

Thanks for your explanation.
I always keep on smiling.....

Thanks for sending the other link to the kujang attached on the spear.


greetings

[Alam Shah]

Maurice,

Here it is, my old simple kujang. I forgot I have one.
After looking at my kujang again, yours may not necessary be a tombak-tip.
Some kudi and kujang does have metuk-iras but are not tombak.

[Alam Shah]

If you're looking for Badek, here are some fine specimens.

VVV's Badek Collection

and 2 of my modest pieces.
1) Badek Bugis 2) Badek Bugis Sulawesi

[Maurice]

You have a nice collection Alam.

I saw you also like martial arts.
That's where my interests in indonesian weapons began.

[Pangeran Datu]

Hi,

I hope you've managed to identify the item. In case you haven't, I'd just like to say that, IMHO, it is definitely not a kujang or kudi as generally recognised by the Sunda. Its form doesn't have the right 'flow'; it's too 'rigid' (even for a Badek Patani or a Badik). The dapur is more akin to a 'Suduk Maru', which is not restricted to pedangs. Of note is that there doesn't appear to be a definite 'inclination'/'curving' of the back-edge w.r.t. the tang, as is characterised by all of the above implements. Hope it helps in some way.
BTW,.. is this the one from Brunssum?

Groeten

[Maurice]

Hi Pangeran Datu,

Thanksfor your explanation.
You're right. I'm the one from Brunssum.
And you are?????
(maybe the one from Heerlen????)


groeten,
Maurice

[Pangeran Datu]

Hi Maurice,

Just to stop you wondering...
I'm not from the Netherlands at all; I'm from Australia.
I hope you every success in finding a satisfactory answer to your search.

Cheers.

[A. G. Maisey]

I do not believe that this blade can be categorised as a kudi or kujang; it resembles no kudi, nor kujang, that I have ever seen.

The handle is a form that seems to be associated with North Jawa, and it is difficult to assess its age.

It is most definitely not any type of tombak blade.

I have seen similar blades that have been produced by the Suminep craftsmen and that combine features associated with a number of forms of traditional blade, or alternatively, with traditional blades and blades from outside Indonesian tradition.

My gut feeling is that close examination would perhaps indicate that this is of recent Madura origin.

[Maurice]

Hi Pangeran Datu,

You sure know how to say 'greetings' in dutch language.

Groet,
Maurice