A group of African weapons for comment.

Cerjak · 1st November 2019, 08:22 PM

all come from the same place (Congo) and seem to have a certain age
Thank you all in advance for your comments.

Jim McDougall · 1st November 2019, 08:52 PM

Hmmm...……...so they are from the Congo, and the other clue is that they 'seem' to have a certain age. As the quiz seems to be 'essay' rather than multiple choice

I can answer question item number two...…..this is a 'trombash' from the Mangbetu people of Congo (now Zaire). Rather than being a weapon, it is primarily used as currency, but more as a status oriented symbol of rank. If I recall, the holes have to do with the rank of the individual.

The others I do not have African references handy, but do seem to be Congo.
As to age, it is always safe to say 19th c. but many of these were collected into 20th.

Very attractive examples and nice Congo grouping.

mahratt · 1st November 2019, 10:53 PM

The third is definitely from the territory of the Congo. Short sword of people Kuba

Miguel · 5th November 2019, 03:51 PM

Yes they are all from the Congo & a very nice trio.. Congo weapons are my favourites.

The first is a Salampasu People Sword from Southern Zaire also widely used by the Chokwe People.

The second is a Mangbetu People Trumbash, as already identified by Jim.

The third, as identified by Mahratt, is a Kuba People Knife called an IKUL.
( Peace Knife )

I can only hazard a rough guess for the age which is late 19th C to first half of the 20th C .

Thanks for sharing.

mross · 5th November 2019, 04:53 PM

Don't know anything about the objects, but the photography is first rate.

Luc LEFEBVRE · 5th November 2019, 08:24 PM

3 old knives, good stuff to begin a collection of african weapons, but not the best quality.

Cerjak · 6th November 2019, 07:13 PM

Thank you all for your comments and additional informations on this 3 weapons or as Jim rightly pointed out" weapons and curency weapons"
best
Cerjak

1st November 2019, 08:22 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	A group of African weapons for comment. all come from the same place (Congo) and seem to have a certain age Thank you all in advance for your comments. Attached Images

1st November 2019, 10:53 PM	#3
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	The third is definitely from the territory of the Congo. Short sword of people Kuba Attached Images Last edited by mahratt; 2nd November 2019 at 12:46 AM.

5th November 2019, 03:51 PM	#4
Miguel Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 584	Group of African Weapons Yes they are all from the Congo & a very nice trio.. Congo weapons are my favourites. The first is a Salampasu People Sword from Southern Zaire also widely used by the Chokwe People. The second is a Mangbetu People Trumbash, as already identified by Jim. The third, as identified by Mahratt, is a Kuba People Knife called an IKUL. ( Peace Knife ) I can only hazard a rough guess for the age which is late 19th C to first half of the 20th C . Thanks for sharing.

1st November 2019, 08:52 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,948	Hmmm...……...so they are from the Congo, and the other clue is that they 'seem' to have a certain age. As the quiz seems to be 'essay' rather than multiple choice I can answer question item number two...…..this is a 'trombash' from the Mangbetu people of Congo (now Zaire). Rather than being a weapon, it is primarily used as currency, but more as a status oriented symbol of rank. If I recall, the holes have to do with the rank of the individual. The others I do not have African references handy, but do seem to be Congo. As to age, it is always safe to say 19th c. but many of these were collected into 20th. Very attractive examples and nice Congo grouping.

5th November 2019, 04:53 PM	#5
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Don't know anything about the objects, but the photography is first rate.

5th November 2019, 08:24 PM	#6
Luc LEFEBVRE Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: France Posts: 472	3 old knives, good stuff to begin a collection of african weapons, but not the best quality.

6th November 2019, 07:13 PM	#7
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Thank you all for your comments and additional informations on this 3 weapons or as Jim rightly pointed out" weapons and curency weapons" best Cerjak