The earliest Kilij?

ariel · 7th November 2009, 02:48 PM

Another Forum ( Russian) posted pics from the Hermitage exhibition of the Treasure of the Golden Horde
This pic:
http://www.tforum.info/forum/gallery...9_73_75609.jpg
shows 3 swords.
there are no labels on the upper straight sword ( damascus?) ot the middle one ( obviously Adygh, Polovtsian, Khazar or thereabouts).
But the lowest one has golden inscription in Arabic with the name of Khan Muhammed Uzbek ( 1311-1342).

The earliest Kilij.

ariel · 7th November 2009, 02:58 PM

A close-up of the straight one.
If all are 12-14th century, it means that 3 traditions coexisted. Likely, not peacefully :-)
http://www.tforum.info/forum/gallery...9_73_74122.jpg

G. McCormack · 8th November 2009, 05:55 PM

These are great, Ariel. Very sexy lines on the third blade.

ariel · 8th November 2009, 11:49 PM

According to Yucel, there are no surviving Ottoman swords earlier than Sultan Mehmet's era ( ~15th century). Thus, we do not actually know what kind of swords Seljuk and early Ottoman Turks used. Apparently, the Hermitage had the answer all the time, but kept strangely silent.
Khan Uzbek converted the Golden Horde to Islam, and the Mongol tribe down south named itself after him: Uzbekistan.

7th November 2009, 02:48 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The earliest Kilij? Another Forum ( Russian) posted pics from the Hermitage exhibition of the Treasure of the Golden Horde This pic: http://www.tforum.info/forum/gallery...9_73_75609.jpg shows 3 swords. there are no labels on the upper straight sword ( damascus?) ot the middle one ( obviously Adygh, Polovtsian, Khazar or thereabouts). But the lowest one has golden inscription in Arabic with the name of Khan Muhammed Uzbek ( 1311-1342). The earliest Kilij.

7th November 2009, 02:58 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	A close-up of the straight one. If all are 12-14th century, it means that 3 traditions coexisted. Likely, not peacefully :-) http://www.tforum.info/forum/gallery...9_73_74122.jpg

8th November 2009, 05:55 PM	#3
G. McCormack Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 131	These are great, Ariel. Very sexy lines on the third blade.

8th November 2009, 11:49 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	According to Yucel, there are no surviving Ottoman swords earlier than Sultan Mehmet's era ( ~15th century). Thus, we do not actually know what kind of swords Seljuk and early Ottoman Turks used. Apparently, the Hermitage had the answer all the time, but kept strangely silent. Khan Uzbek converted the Golden Horde to Islam, and the Mongol tribe down south named itself after him: Uzbekistan.