Questions on a Tenegre

Ferguson · 13th February 2011, 11:11 PM

Hello friends,
I found this Tenegre on Ebay. Had to repair the horn guard, and replace the missing tip on the scabbard. The chisel ground, right handed blade is monosteel, the hilt is wood, the ferrule has a seam in it. The carved scabbard is a reddish wood. The scabbard throat is rawhide. Dimensions are: Overall 25 1/4", Blade 19 1/4". Blade thickness is .250" (6.43mm).
All comments are welcomed, and I have the following questions.
1. I figure the age as post WWII. What do you think?
2. Given the scabbard is not the typical Visayan squared off design, where was it made?
3. I had to guess at the shape of the scabbard tip. Am I close? (the color of the wood tip looks much redder in the pictures than it is)

Thanks for all of your opinions!
Steve

Battara · 14th February 2011, 01:50 AM

Hi Steve, (aka "Tito Gunong"),

Yes I agree this is Visayan and perhaps around WWII. I have seen some of these even pre-WWII with pointed scabbards. I wonder if is a little pre-WWII. nice piece based on the quality of the carvings and the horn guard.

Nacho and Migueldiaz could tell you more.

Robert · 14th February 2011, 06:11 AM

Hello TiTo Gunongo,

I can't believe that I missed this on ebay,

was it a recent purchase? No matter, it is a great piece with good carving on the hilt and scabbard. The pointed tip scabbards like this one I will leave to the experts to determine the age of, though I have seen pieces like this that were purported to be of pre WWII origin. Regardless I would have loved to added it to my own collection. My congratulations on a very nice addition to your own.

Robert

Sajen · 15th February 2011, 05:55 PM

Hello Steve,

nice Tenegre and I am the second one who would be happy to have it in his own collection!

I wonder if the original tip of the scabbard may have been from brass too?

Regards,

Detlef

migueldiaz · 16th February 2011, 06:54 AM

hi, steve. nice sword. congrats! nacho is the expert on visayan swords. while waiting for his comments --

[1] i tend to agree that it's post ww2 given the scabbard tip's pointy design (my comment is not based on field research, but based on similar hilts here and here both of which sport the ww2 victory symbol);

[2] as to where the scabbard was made, i think it's still panay where the blade is from;

[3] presumably it had an extra long nose or horn; that would make it then a taribong, i.e., the talibong or sanduko used by panay highlanders called panay bukidnon; and

[4] as to the sword's name, based on nacho's info as posted here, it is called a wala-pilak taribong (i.e., a taribong that has no silver).

regards.

Ferguson · 27th February 2011, 11:03 PM

Oh my. I just realized that I hadn't posted to this thread to thank you all for your replies. So thank you all for your comments!

Jose, thank you as always!

Robert, I won it at the end of January. It was a "sleeper".
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...K%3AMEWNX%3AIT

Sajen, I don't think it was brass. The end of the scabbard tip is serrated like it was meant to be crimped onto a piece of horn or wood. Also there was no solder on it. But there is no way to be sure. I'm guessing horn, as I have another piece with a horn tip.

Migueldiaz, Thank you so much for the information!

Steve

13th February 2011, 11:11 PM	#1
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Questions on a Tenegre Hello friends, I found this Tenegre on Ebay. Had to repair the horn guard, and replace the missing tip on the scabbard. The chisel ground, right handed blade is monosteel, the hilt is wood, the ferrule has a seam in it. The carved scabbard is a reddish wood. The scabbard throat is rawhide. Dimensions are: Overall 25 1/4", Blade 19 1/4". Blade thickness is .250" (6.43mm). All comments are welcomed, and I have the following questions. 1. I figure the age as post WWII. What do you think? 2. Given the scabbard is not the typical Visayan squared off design, where was it made? 3. I had to guess at the shape of the scabbard tip. Am I close? (the color of the wood tip looks much redder in the pictures than it is) Thanks for all of your opinions! Steve

14th February 2011, 01:50 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,226	Hi Steve, (aka "Tito Gunong"), Yes I agree this is Visayan and perhaps around WWII. I have seen some of these even pre-WWII with pointed scabbards. I wonder if is a little pre-WWII. nice piece based on the quality of the carvings and the horn guard. Nacho and Migueldiaz could tell you more.

14th February 2011, 06:11 AM	#3
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello TiTo Gunongo, I can't believe that I missed this on ebay, was it a recent purchase? No matter, it is a great piece with good carving on the hilt and scabbard. The pointed tip scabbards like this one I will leave to the experts to determine the age of, though I have seen pieces like this that were purported to be of pre WWII origin. Regardless I would have loved to added it to my own collection. My congratulations on a very nice addition to your own. Robert

15th February 2011, 05:55 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Hello Steve, nice Tenegre and I am the second one who would be happy to have it in his own collection! I wonder if the original tip of the scabbard may have been from brass too? Regards, Detlef

16th February 2011, 06:54 AM	#5
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	hi, steve. nice sword. congrats! nacho is the expert on visayan swords. while waiting for his comments -- [1] i tend to agree that it's post ww2 given the scabbard tip's pointy design (my comment is not based on field research, but based on similar hilts here and here both of which sport the ww2 victory symbol); [2] as to where the scabbard was made, i think it's still panay where the blade is from; [3] presumably it had an extra long nose or horn; that would make it then a taribong, i.e., the talibong or sanduko used by panay highlanders called panay bukidnon; and [4] as to the sword's name, based on nacho's info as posted here, it is called a wala-pilak taribong (i.e., a taribong that has no silver). regards.

27th February 2011, 11:03 PM	#6
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Oh my. I just realized that I hadn't posted to this thread to thank you all for your replies. So thank you all for your comments! Jose, thank you as always! Robert, I won it at the end of January. It was a "sleeper". http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...K%3AMEWNX%3AIT Sajen, I don't think it was brass. The end of the scabbard tip is serrated like it was meant to be crimped onto a piece of horn or wood. Also there was no solder on it. But there is no way to be sure. I'm guessing horn, as I have another piece with a horn tip. Migueldiaz, Thank you so much for the information! Steve