Dagger of free judges from Westphalia

Cotoroanta · 31st December 2023, 11:03 PM

Hello I need a little help about this dagger that I found the information that it’s possible a dagger of free judges from Westphalia. The elements are in this direction the heart on sheath the letter S a cross and other S on a side and on the other one G cross and another G, the dead head near the handle. I need to know if someone see another dagger like this and if it is true authentic and how old it is. It is 44.5 cm long

Jim McDougall · 1st January 2024, 01:59 PM

This is incredibly intriguing! and a very esoteric topic.
I honestly had never heard of the 'FREE JUDGES' or Vehmic courts until I saw reference to them and secret symbols on blades in Demmin (1877).
These were medieval tribunals that were locked in secrecy in the Middle Ages in Germany, which seem to have prevailed through the 17th-18th centuries in Westphalian regions.
It seems these 'organizations' were much dramatized and romanticized however there is no doubt their sinister character and power was well founded.

Essentially the identities and organization of these 'courts' had dramatic secrecy which seems mindful of Masonic lore and history, but in these cases, the threat of death was actual and not metaphoric. It is interesting in this manner the use of secret symbols and the skull etc. much as seen in Masonic regalia.

Supposedly the S S and G G stand for stein, strick, gras, grun (=stone, rope, grass, green) . The other terms are obscure, but the rope was significant as those condemned by the 'judges' were typically hanged.
It is noted that a 'knife' often bearjng these symbols would be left by the body to signify this was not a murder, but the ordained action of this 'court'.

It is possible that this is such a knife, and whether used as such a symbol, it seems likely that a member of such free judge court MIGHT wear such as emblem of authority and regalia.

Definitely a MOST rare and esoteric item, never seen an actual example, only references to them.........almost too good to be true!

fernando · 3rd January 2024, 01:52 PM

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31st December 2023, 11:03 PM	#1
Cotoroanta Member Join Date: Dec 2023 Posts: 23	Dagger of free judges from Westphalia Hello I need a little help about this dagger that I found the information that it’s possible a dagger of free judges from Westphalia. The elements are in this direction the heart on sheath the letter S a cross and other S on a side and on the other one G cross and another G, the dead head near the handle. I need to know if someone see another dagger like this and if it is true authentic and how old it is. It is 44.5 cm long Attached Images

1st January 2024, 01:59 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,937	This is incredibly intriguing! and a very esoteric topic. I honestly had never heard of the 'FREE JUDGES' or Vehmic courts until I saw reference to them and secret symbols on blades in Demmin (1877). These were medieval tribunals that were locked in secrecy in the Middle Ages in Germany, which seem to have prevailed through the 17th-18th centuries in Westphalian regions. It seems these 'organizations' were much dramatized and romanticized however there is no doubt their sinister character and power was well founded. Essentially the identities and organization of these 'courts' had dramatic secrecy which seems mindful of Masonic lore and history, but in these cases, the threat of death was actual and not metaphoric. It is interesting in this manner the use of secret symbols and the skull etc. much as seen in Masonic regalia. Supposedly the S S and G G stand for stein, strick, gras, grun (=stone, rope, grass, green) . The other terms are obscure, but the rope was significant as those condemned by the 'judges' were typically hanged. It is noted that a 'knife' often bearjng these symbols would be left by the body to signify this was not a murder, but the ordained action of this 'court'. It is possible that this is such a knife, and whether used as such a symbol, it seems likely that a member of such free judge court MIGHT wear such as emblem of authority and regalia. Definitely a MOST rare and esoteric item, never seen an actual example, only references to them.........almost too good to be true! Last edited by Jim McDougall; 2nd January 2024 at 10:21 AM.

3rd January 2024, 01:52 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Threads closed in view of author's attempt to enquire on countless pieces still in active commercial venues. - Last edited by fernando; 3rd January 2024 at 04:57 PM.