Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 3rd May 2011, 09:39 AM   #1
Maurice
Member
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,334
Default Small Nias collection.

At a sudden I ran into some Nias pieces.
Two status lances (from the same collection) and an old balato with original ratan ball. (amulets gone unfortunately, but hey.....I don't care). ;-)
Attached Images
 
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 09:52 AM   #2
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
Default WOW

A beautiful and rare grouping/find Maurice...steering away from Borneo perhaps :-)))
The Balato is in super fine conditon too...could you please share an image of it out of the sheath.
You know how much I love spears too.....please show more!!!!!

Gav

Last edited by freebooter; 3rd May 2011 at 11:09 AM.
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 10:03 AM   #3
Indianajones
Member
 
Indianajones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 180
Default

Indeed very nice Nias items; quality! By the way, I would not bother the 'so-called missing amulates' as I think they have never been on there! Fabtastic patine also.
Congrats
Indianajones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 10:59 AM   #4
kai
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 3,254
Default

Congrats, Maurice!

I like the understatement expressed by the balato pommel. I'm with Gav - more pics of all pieces, please!


Kai
kai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 11:32 AM   #5
Maurice
Member
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,334
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by freebooter
A beautiful and rare grouping/find Maurice...steering away from Borneo perhaps :-)))
The Balato is in super fine conditon too...could you please share an image of it out of the sheath.
You know how much I love spears too.....please show more!!!!!

Gav
Thanks Gav,

Never steering away from Borneo, but my interests in some "outside" Borneo areas are growing by the minute.
The balato is indeed in a very good condition. No damages or missing chips whatsoever, only 4 ratan bands around the scabbard are missing.
It has a nice old patina allover, and especially the handle shows glossy patina of handling.
Here some images of the balato out of the scabbard and a better image of the ratan ball.

Maurice
Attached Images
  
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 11:39 AM   #6
Maurice
Member
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,334
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kai
Congrats, Maurice!

I like the understatement expressed by the balato pommel. I'm with Gav - more pics of all pieces, please!


Kai
Thanks Kai,

Yes I like the expression of the pommel also very much.
Especially that little scroll on the top.
I've seen this version sometimes on old images/collections, but than the two protrusions are both equally long, not with one shorter little curl....

Maurice
Attached Images
 
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 11:49 AM   #7
Maurice
Member
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,334
Default

Here some images of both lances.
The wooden shaft butts of both lances have a metal point.
Only one has a lot of ratan bands (more than 100) around the wooden shaft.
Attached Images
  
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 12:00 PM   #8
Gavin Nugent
Member
 
Gavin Nugent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,818
Default new icon

Thank you Maurice, very nice indeed....the forum now needs sound and a wolf whistle icon, these are some exotic lookers seldom seen or discussed.
I am looking forward to sitting back and learning some more about these in particular about the lances as I like 'em long.

Gav
Gavin Nugent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 01:00 PM   #9
Maurice
Member
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,334
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Indianajones
Indeed very nice Nias items; quality! By the way, I would not bother the 'so-called missing amulates' as I think they have never been on there! Fabtastic patine also.
Congrats
Thank you!
I'm not bothered about the missing charms.
It seemed that Nias people didn't bother to give away/sell their sword, but the balls with idols and charms where taken off before.
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 01:59 PM   #10
Sajen
Member
 
Sajen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Germany, Dortmund
Posts: 8,761
Default

Hi Maurice,

nice grab of three rare outstanding pieces.

Regards,

Detlef
Sajen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 05:14 PM   #11
CharlesS
Member
 
CharlesS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Greenville, NC
Posts: 1,857
Default

Very nice pieces Maurice. I really love the elegant spears.
CharlesS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 05:25 PM   #12
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 7,115
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Indianajones
Indeed very nice Nias items; quality! By the way, I would not bother the 'so-called missing amulates' as I think they have never been on there!
Since no one else has asked i guess i will. Why do you believe that there were never any "amulets" contained within the ball of this sheath?
David is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 06:52 PM   #13
VVV
Member
 
VVV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,637
Default

Congratulations Maurice,

It looks like a beautiful patina on all 3 and the hilt is very unusual.

Michael
VVV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 07:52 PM   #14
ThePepperSkull
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 338
Default

Oh my goodness, that Balato is breathtaking. It steals the show in that small Nias grouping. Well done! How'd you end up with these?
ThePepperSkull is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 08:10 PM   #15
Henk
Member
 
Henk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,209
Default

Maurice,

I'm looking a little bit green. But i'm sure i'm not the only one here and in the area where you live. Congrats, breathtaking!!
Henk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd May 2011, 09:14 PM   #16
ronpakis
Member
 
ronpakis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: netherlands
Posts: 75
Default at a sudden...

do you perhaps mean to say that you found these on april 30th???!!! They are really beautifull, congrats!

Greetings Ron
ronpakis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th May 2011, 07:06 AM   #17
asomotif
Member
 
asomotif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 2,224
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by David
Why do you believe that there were never any "amulets" contained within the ball of this sheath?
Nice balato Maurice.
Nice spears too.

Rattan ball looks great and original to me.
Are there signs that amulets have been attached in the past ?
asomotif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th May 2011, 07:25 AM   #18
Jonno
Member
 
Jonno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 51
Default

Very nice items Maurice.
Beautiful colors and patin on the ratan bands.

The Balato is great!!!
Jonno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th May 2011, 08:40 AM   #19
Maurice
Member
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,334
Default

Thank you all for your comments!

The patina indeed is beautifull and I can't see any evidence that amulets were attached at the ball. They could also be kept inside the ball....
Both ways were possible.

Maurice
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd July 2011, 04:23 AM   #20
Alam Shah
Member
 
Alam Shah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Singapore
Posts: 1,248
Default meaning of Balato

Hi all,

I am just wondering.. what is the meaning to the term "Balato"?
Alam Shah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd July 2011, 04:59 AM   #21
Robert
EAAF Staff
 
Robert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Centerville, Kansas
Posts: 2,196
Default

Maurice, I cannot believe that I missed this when you first posted these. What absolutely beautiful pieces and in such pristine condition. My very envious congratulations to you on being able to acquire three such wonderful items for your collection.

Robert
Robert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd July 2011, 08:23 AM   #22
Maurice
Member
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,334
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alam Shah
Hi all,

I am just wondering.. what is the meaning to the term "Balato"?
Hi Shah,

The meaning of the term "Ballátu" according Elio Modigliani means "knife".
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd July 2011, 08:25 AM   #23
Maurice
Member
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 1,334
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Coleman
Maurice, I cannot believe that I missed this when you first posted these. What absolutely beautiful pieces and in such pristine condition. My very envious congratulations to you on being able to acquire three such wonderful items for your collection.

Robert
Thank you Robert,

But not that pristine, cause one "toho" unfortunately misses all the ratan bands....

Maurice
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd July 2011, 04:47 PM   #24
Battara
EAAF Staff
 
Battara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 7,219
Default

I'm with Charles - love the spears especially.
Battara is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd July 2011, 05:54 PM   #25
VANDOO
(deceased)
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: OKLAHOMA, USA
Posts: 3,138
Cool

CONGRADULATIONS!! THE FORCE WAS WITH YOU WHEN YOU FOUND THESE
I LIKE ALL THREE ITEMS BUT THE SPEARS ARE A LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO COME BY AND THESE ARE FULL LEGNTH , COMPLETE AND IN EXCELLENT CONDITION NOT TO MENTION BEAUTIFUL AND FLAMBOYANT IN FORM.

MOST COLLECTORS CAN ONLY DREAM OF FINDING THREE SUCH EXAMPLES AND IF FOUND FEW CAN AFFORD THEM SO IF THE PRICE WAS GOOD DO A FEW MORE STEPS OF YOUR HAPPY DANCE .
VANDOO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd July 2011, 06:08 PM   #26
Alam Shah
Member
 
Alam Shah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Singapore
Posts: 1,248
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice
Hi Shah,

The meaning of the term "Ballátu" according Elio Modigliani means "knife".
Thanks Maurice..
Alam Shah is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.