Dagger ??

[ksbhati]

Hi ! Comments on this Dagger would be appreciated. Thanks !!

[Tim Simmons]

Nice handle. I like the way the petal form is defined so confidently with one cut.

[katana]

Hi ksbhati,
nice dagger, could you post some more pictures of the blade .... there seems to be a wootz pattern......hard to tell from the one picture. The blade thickness at the tip, strongly suggests armour piercing capabillities.

Regards David

[ksbhati]

Hi ! Yes the blade is wootz and yes the blade has a Armour Piercing tip. I was wondering if anyone here could help with the translation of the inscription. Also, the style of engraving (very light) with traces of gold inlay is something I have not seen before....specially the web like pattern of the inlay (with all traces of gold gone) all around the inscriptions is a first. Has anyone seen decoration like this before...??

[Gonzalo G]

I don´t know much of this weapons, but, do you call "daggers" to the weapons with only one edge blades? It could be a khanjar, but the form of the blade fits better in the recurved type of peshkabz found in India and illustrated by E. Jaiwant in "Arms and Armour. Traditional weapons of India", which are more "triangular" and without any parallel profile lines in the whole blade. But the form of the hilt is more common in khanjars than in peshkabz, the late more usual in a full tang type mounted with scales and rivets in this recurved type. The inscriptions point to a muslim origin. I can be mistaken, but this weapons could be originated in north India or Iran. Somehow the decoration and inscriptions reminds me an irani, or a copy of an irani, style of decoration. Please don´t take too seriously my opinion, as I´m only an amateur.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by Gonzalo G

I don´t know much of this weapons, but, do you call "daggers" to the weapons with only one edge blades? It could be a khanjar, but the form of the blade fits better in the recurved type of peshkabz found in India and illustrated by E. Jaiwant in "Arms and Armour. Traditional weapons of India", which are more "triangular" and without any parallel profile lines in the whole blade. But the form of the hilt is more common in khanjars than in peshkabz, the late more usual in a full tang type mounted with scales and rivets in this recurved type. The inscriptions point to a muslim origin. I can be mistaken, but this weapons could be originated in north India or Iran. Somehow the decoration and inscriptions reminds me an irani, or a copy of an irani, style of decoration. Please don´t take too seriously my opinion, as I´m only an amateur.

You're doing great for an 'amateur' Gonzalo! Stepping forward with well thought out observations and referenced support clearly notes that you have advanced from that category though....now you're a student of arms like the rest of us The weapons of N.India were greatly influenced by the arms of Persia, and sometimes difficult to distinguish differences. I am under the impression that recurved blade is characteristic of pesh kabz. The hilt is of khanjhar form ,and possibly jade?

All the best,
Jim

[Dom]

Originally Posted by ksbhati

I was wondering if anyone here could help with the translation of the inscription.

Hi ksbhati

let us try to translate

- first pic ;
inscription
Milk Han'na Han'na is the owner

-second pic ;
inscription from The Holy Qur'an ;
-/- Al-fath (The victory) verse 1 chapter XLVIII
meaning ;
Surely We have given to you a clear victory

no more

à +

Dom

[ksbhati]

Thank you for the translation Dom. Is that a complete translation or portions translated...??