Ethiopian shield

Flavio · 18th July 2006, 12:57 PM

Ah, here come back my first love!! AFRICA!!!

Pics from seller a nice ethiopian shield, diameter 50 cm. Comments are welcome.

CharlesS · 18th July 2006, 01:14 PM

Gorgeeeeez piece! Which Ethiopian ethnic group does this come from??

Flavio · 18th July 2006, 01:35 PM

Thank you Charles, unfortunatly i can't be more precise, but hope someone here will do

Lew · 18th July 2006, 04:26 PM

Flavio

Nice to see you went back to your first love

A lovely shield beautiful patina.

Lew

Flavio · 18th July 2006, 04:29 PM

Thank you Lew,

i hope to have this one very soon!!!

Tim Simmons · 18th July 2006, 05:25 PM

Just the ticket

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Tim Simmons · 18th July 2006, 08:56 PM

On this marvelous shield we can see that the designs have clearly been applied freehand with no use of mechanical rotation or spinning. Also it looks like the hand tools has not included rollers.

Flavio · 18th July 2006, 09:02 PM

Thank you Tim

Luc LEFEBVRE · 18th July 2006, 09:45 PM

Very nice design of the patterns on this this shield.
Nice one Flavio.
Luc

Flavio · 18th July 2006, 09:58 PM

Thanks a lot Luc

katana · 18th July 2006, 11:12 PM

What a fantastic shield.....it just oozes quality

roanoa · 23rd July 2006, 04:09 AM

My best guess is that the shield is AFAR/DANAKIL from the ISSA tribe. So you are most likely narrowing down its origin to the former French Somalia. Probably Gibuti. Very nice piece.

Flavio · 23rd July 2006, 07:55 AM

Thank you very much Roa

So maybe is better to display this shield more with a kaskara than with a gurade or a shotel? Regards

Flavio

Titus Pullo · 23rd July 2006, 08:06 AM

You have a nice piece there! Gorgeous!

Flavio · 23rd July 2006, 08:20 AM

Ave Titus! Thank you very much

roanoa · 23rd July 2006, 05:34 PM

Flavio, I would say that the shield should be displayed with a GILE. I do not believe Kaskaras were used that far South along the Red Sea coast.

roanoa · 23rd July 2006, 06:16 PM

Flavio. I found this picture in the AFRICAN SHIELDS by ZIRNGIBL. Guess it will help. Ciao, Roano

Tim Simmons · 23rd July 2006, 06:20 PM

I was just going to add that a spear is most likely carried. I also think if you had one of those German light cavalry swords made for Abyssinia would be okay to put with it.

Flavio · 24th July 2006, 03:05 AM

Ciao Roano

, thank you very much. The shield that you show is very similar, thanks a lot.

Tim, maybe your somali shield on swap forum is better with a kaskara?

roanoa · 24th July 2006, 04:29 AM

Hi Tim. I do not agree with your suggestion. All the pictures I have seen of Afar/Danakil warriors show them carrying (aside from rifles...) shield, spear and gile. No swords. Unless one considers the gile a short sword. Cheers, RON

Tim Simmons · 24th July 2006, 08:16 AM

You are quite right about the Gile. I am not brave enough to say this form of shield would not have been used over a wide area including Abyssinian warriors for whom many swords were made. A big Gile or an Abyssinian Shotel or trade sword all would look fabulous with the shield.

roanoa · 24th July 2006, 07:22 PM

Hi Tim. I agree. The shield may have found its way into the hands of an "abyssinian" warrior. One thing about the Afar/Danakil though: they are SO TRADITIONAL that I doubt they would be using anything but their gile. I have seen recent pictures of these tribesmen carrying AK47 AND the gile. And, by the way, taking a closer look at the picture of the Issa warrior that I submitted, I noticed that he is in fact wearing a gile. You can see it with the handle sitting on the guy's lap and the scabbard's tip brass decoration pointing upward. Cool.

Flavio · 24th July 2006, 07:39 PM

Hello Roano, could you post a higher resolution picture of the issa warrior? Thank you

roanoa · 25th July 2006, 02:12 AM

Hi Flavio. I am afraid this is the highest I can go. However, if you so wish,
e-mail me at ROANOA@SHAW.CA and I'll send it to you. It's a BIG file.... Roano

Flavio · 25th July 2006, 07:58 PM

Hello Roano, you have an email.

Flavio · 28th July 2006, 11:42 PM

Ciao Roano, have you received my mails? Regards

Flavio

18th July 2006, 12:57 PM	#1
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Ethiopian shield Ah, here come back my first love!! AFRICA!!! Pics from seller a nice ethiopian shield, diameter 50 cm. Comments are welcome. Attached Images

23rd July 2006, 06:16 PM	#17
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 234	Flavio. I found this picture in the AFRICAN SHIELDS by ZIRNGIBL. Guess it will help. Ciao, Roano Attached Images

24th July 2006, 08:16 AM	#21
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	You are quite right about the Gile. I am not brave enough to say this form of shield would not have been used over a wide area including Abyssinian warriors for whom many swords were made. A big Gile or an Abyssinian Shotel or trade sword all would look fabulous with the shield. Last edited by Tim Simmons; 24th July 2006 at 08:33 AM.

18th July 2006, 01:14 PM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Gorgeeeeez piece! Which Ethiopian ethnic group does this come from??

18th July 2006, 01:35 PM	#3
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you Charles, unfortunatly i can't be more precise, but hope someone here will do

18th July 2006, 04:26 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Flavio Nice to see you went back to your first love A lovely shield beautiful patina. Lew

18th July 2006, 04:29 PM	#5
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you Lew, i hope to have this one very soon!!!

18th July 2006, 05:25 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	Just the ticket .

18th July 2006, 08:56 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	On this marvelous shield we can see that the designs have clearly been applied freehand with no use of mechanical rotation or spinning. Also it looks like the hand tools has not included rollers.

18th July 2006, 09:02 PM	#8
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you Tim

18th July 2006, 09:45 PM	#9
Luc LEFEBVRE Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: France Posts: 472	Very nice design of the patterns on this this shield. Nice one Flavio. Luc

18th July 2006, 09:58 PM	#10
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thanks a lot Luc

18th July 2006, 11:12 PM	#11
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	What a fantastic shield.....it just oozes quality

23rd July 2006, 04:09 AM	#12
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 234	My best guess is that the shield is AFAR/DANAKIL from the ISSA tribe. So you are most likely narrowing down its origin to the former French Somalia. Probably Gibuti. Very nice piece.

23rd July 2006, 07:55 AM	#13
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Thank you very much Roa So maybe is better to display this shield more with a kaskara than with a gurade or a shotel? Regards Flavio

23rd July 2006, 08:06 AM	#14
Titus Pullo Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 123	You have a nice piece there! Gorgeous!

23rd July 2006, 08:20 AM	#15
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Ave Titus! Thank you very much

23rd July 2006, 05:34 PM	#16
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 234	Flavio, I would say that the shield should be displayed with a GILE. I do not believe Kaskaras were used that far South along the Red Sea coast.

23rd July 2006, 06:20 PM	#18
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,806	I was just going to add that a spear is most likely carried. I also think if you had one of those German light cavalry swords made for Abyssinia would be okay to put with it.

24th July 2006, 03:05 AM	#19
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Ciao Roano , thank you very much. The shield that you show is very similar, thanks a lot. Tim, maybe your somali shield on swap forum is better with a kaskara?

24th July 2006, 04:29 AM	#20
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 234	Hi Tim. I do not agree with your suggestion. All the pictures I have seen of Afar/Danakil warriors show them carrying (aside from rifles...) shield, spear and gile. No swords. Unless one considers the gile a short sword. Cheers, RON

24th July 2006, 07:22 PM	#22
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 234	Hi Tim. I agree. The shield may have found its way into the hands of an "abyssinian" warrior. One thing about the Afar/Danakil though: they are SO TRADITIONAL that I doubt they would be using anything but their gile. I have seen recent pictures of these tribesmen carrying AK47 AND the gile. And, by the way, taking a closer look at the picture of the Issa warrior that I submitted, I noticed that he is in fact wearing a gile. You can see it with the handle sitting on the guy's lap and the scabbard's tip brass decoration pointing upward. Cool.

24th July 2006, 07:39 PM	#23
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hello Roano, could you post a higher resolution picture of the issa warrior? Thank you

25th July 2006, 02:12 AM	#24
roanoa Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 234	Hi Flavio. I am afraid this is the highest I can go. However, if you so wish, e-mail me at ROANOA@SHAW.CA and I'll send it to you. It's a BIG file.... Roano

25th July 2006, 07:58 PM	#25
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hello Roano, you have an email.

28th July 2006, 11:42 PM	#26
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Ciao Roano, have you received my mails? Regards Flavio