persian shamshir ???

galvano · 10th March 2006, 09:17 PM

for comment
galvano
with foot

ariel · 10th March 2006, 09:23 PM

What a beautiful blade! It needs to be etched: I hope it is wootz.
And the pommel appears to be at the right angle to the handle(Likely, Persian).I am rarely gushing, but this blade caught my eye.Elegant, tasteful and high quality.
Congratulations!

Rivkin · 10th March 2006, 10:08 PM

Don't know much about persian stuff - still waiting for Manoucher's book to come out. Imho it's etched therefore it is probably XIXth century ?

ariel · 10th March 2006, 10:14 PM

You think these cartouches are etched? You do not mean acid-etched, do you?

ham · 10th March 2006, 10:27 PM

If Rivkin means acid-etched, he's right. There may be a little hand chiselling around the borders, hard to tell from the pics. But it is predominantly etched.
This sword started life a simple fighting weapon in Afghanistan or N. India c. 1850, given the form of the hilt. It was embellished later, perhaps around the turn of the century, using the etching technique. This is evident from the differing profiles of the upper and lower edges of the guard. Note that on the edge nearest the blade, the langet has been winnowed to the thickness of a toothpick. The upper side retains its original form. Compare the outline of the etched panel, top and bottom-- note that it differs, meaning the etching was done after the guard was reshaped.

A handsome example, don't see shamshirs around much anymore.

Ham

10th March 2006, 09:17 PM	#1
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	persian shamshir ??? for comment galvano with foot Attached Images

10th March 2006, 10:27 PM	#5
ham Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 190	If Rivkin means acid-etched, he's right. There may be a little hand chiselling around the borders, hard to tell from the pics. But it is predominantly etched. This sword started life a simple fighting weapon in Afghanistan or N. India c. 1850, given the form of the hilt. It was embellished later, perhaps around the turn of the century, using the etching technique. This is evident from the differing profiles of the upper and lower edges of the guard. Note that on the edge nearest the blade, the langet has been winnowed to the thickness of a toothpick. The upper side retains its original form. Compare the outline of the etched panel, top and bottom-- note that it differs, meaning the etching was done after the guard was reshaped. A handsome example, don't see shamshirs around much anymore. Ham Last edited by ham; 10th March 2006 at 10:43 PM.

10th March 2006, 09:23 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	What a beautiful blade! It needs to be etched: I hope it is wootz. And the pommel appears to be at the right angle to the handle(Likely, Persian).I am rarely gushing, but this blade caught my eye.Elegant, tasteful and high quality. Congratulations!

10th March 2006, 10:08 PM	#3
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	Don't know much about persian stuff - still waiting for Manoucher's book to come out. Imho it's etched therefore it is probably XIXth century ?

10th March 2006, 10:14 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	You think these cartouches are etched? You do not mean acid-etched, do you?