Is this a Sadap ?

[Miguel]

Hello Everyone, I know this question has been asked before as I have been searching through previous threads on the subject. I have had this weapon which I always thought was a Parang Latok used by the Land Dayaks of Malaya for a long time but from research I now think but am not completely sure that it may be a Parang Sadap used by the Muslim Melanau people of Malaya and would be grateful for confirmation or otherwise of this from the more knowledgeable members together with any comments and age if possible from the photos.
Thanking you in anticipation
Miguel

[mariusgmioc]

SADAP
Kalimantan, Melanau
A variant of the parang latok where the blade's shoulder is octagonal in cross-section

(no illustration given)

That's the definition from "Traditional Weapons of the Indonesian Archipelago" by Albert G. van Zonneveld.

So, I guess the answer is yes, this is a Sadap.

[ariel]

"Sadat is Parang latok , but with an octagonal shoulder...."
Reminds me of Kama Sutra, where Position #54 is in fact Position #53, just with your fingers crossed:-)

[kai]

yes, this is a Sadap.

An a really nice example at that!

Congrats - please keep me posted if you decide to let it go, Miguel!

Regards,
Kai

[Maurice]

Hi Miguel,

Because the "shoulder" is octagonal in section, indeed it is called a sadap, which were in use by the Milanau tribes.
A rather rare to find sword.

Maurice

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by ariel

"Sadat is Parang latok , but with an octagonal shoulder...."
Reminds me of Kama Sutra, where Position #54 is in fact Position #53, just with your fingers crossed:-)

Brilliant!

[kronckew]

sadly, every one i've seen is bent at the blade/bolster junction.
feel free to send it to me, and i'll contemplate what to do about that.

(nice one!)

[CharlesS]

Here is another thread dedicated to the sadap.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=sadap

[mariusgmioc]

Originally Posted by kronckew

sadly, every one i've seen is bent at the blade/bolster junction.
feel free to send it to me, and i'll contemplate what to do about that.

(nice one!)

Yeah, I noticed that too.

I don't understand why doesn't he have it straightened up?!

[Miguel]

Thanks everyone for your kind comments and a positive confirmation that it is indeed a Parang Sadap Nice analogy Ariel, just jog my memory if you would, what did position 54 entail?

Does anyone know how this weapon originated? agriculture perhaps I cant think of anything else. The Parang Latok and the Parang Pandat war sword also have the angled hilt and seem peculiar to this region. Thanks again for your replies they are much appreciated.
Regards
Miguel

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Miguel

Does anyone know how this weapon originated? agriculture perhaps I cant think of anything else.

They are multi functional, and definately as weapon.
The question how it originated would stay a mistery I suppose. Only speculations.......

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by Maurice

They are multi functional, and definately as weapon.
The question how it originated would stay a mistery I suppose. Only speculations.......

Hello Maurice,
I guess you are right much as my search for the origin of the Coorgs and trying to determine whether or not the Kukri influenced the design of the Ayda Katti or not but its fun trying and you learn a lot at the same time.
Regards
Miguel