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3rd December 2007, 06:12 PM
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decoration on sumatra/aceh/atjeh ladieng + cojang
I recently bought a cojang / Co-jang with a decoration on the back that is 'almost' identical to a Ladieng that was already in my collection.
Is this a big coincidence or is it a rather common decoration ? I would like to see some more aceh/sumatra weapons with these decorations but most books only show small pictures and no details. any help from forumites 
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3rd December 2007, 06:51 PM
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Nice swords! I would say that these are a common decoration foun on these swords. I really do like the matching cracks on the hilts
 Funny I two Sikin swords with identical cracks in the hilt I have yet to see one that doesn't have one. Lew |
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11th May 2010, 10:05 AM
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Hi Willem,
digging up this old thread of yours. I have another one with similar decoration! Maurice |
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12th May 2010, 06:28 PM
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Will see if I can find the photo! Erik |
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12th May 2010, 07:38 PM
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Amazing work on the spines!
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12th May 2010, 09:03 PM
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Second the statement from Jose, beautiful!
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11th June 2010, 01:57 AM
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Slowly the collection extends, but the variation in these spine decorations comes close to zero.
I still do like them a lot  The last addition has a suasa collar and horn hilt: hulu cangge gliwang. |
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11th June 2010, 04:17 AM
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Nice Variety
Nice Variety Willem, one of my Amanremu has similar markings.
I really like the laminations in the Ladieng, any good photos of that pattern? Gav |
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11th June 2010, 07:38 AM
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No, I don't have better pictures of the pattern on the Ladieng. To get real good pictures I would probably have to clean and etch it, but I like the overal appearance at this moment. Here is a picture with the balde forms and hulu / hilt forms. The most left one on the hilt picture is probably an early form of hulu cangge gliwang. |
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11th June 2010, 08:26 AM
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What I like also on your amanremu are the decorations on the blade itself... http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s197_full.html |
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11th June 2010, 08:29 AM
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Best piece of your gliwang collection ...... Maurice |
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11th June 2010, 10:01 AM
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Beauty
Willem,
I am most impressed by their beauty, that is a very nice grouping with an understated beauty and quality rather than the drippings of gold and ivory seen on other Sumatran weapons...Not that ivory and gold is a bad thing .I must say since obtaining the Kelling Hall collection I too have the Sumatran bug and will one day start another grouping of these weapons after I fill wants from other cultures first, thanks for sharing. Maurice, The markings are interesting and quite rubbed so I am guessing there is some good age to that example I have. I do not know the basis of those blade side markings but they are, although a little more rigid by design, similar to those found on my Sadap. I have seen similar on another Borneo piece too but I guess there was a lot of similar cultural cross overs in times past. And yes, Willems and your Ladieng would look great together...I doubt he'd break the set though ;-) Gav |
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11th June 2010, 12:34 PM
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A few months the Cojang and Ladieng will visit one's collections and than the other collection
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11th June 2010, 05:16 PM
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Well our collections are already a continuing exchange program as it is....
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11th June 2010, 11:07 PM
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oh Erik, now you are reminding me.....We need to exchange your scabbard on the rencong with golden crowns, I guess it fits wonderfull on my Gayo piece I obtained in Bronbeek at the keris fair....
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11th June 2010, 11:14 PM
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These decorations could be occurring more often on amanremu's, but I handled to less to tell. Maybe somebody else on the forum had seen these kind of decorations at the side of the blade on Sumatran pieces?? |
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30th June 2010, 10:28 PM
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In the Fischer Catalogue of the Leiden Atjeh collection there is also a drawing of an identical type of decoration that is found on several items in that collection. Will try to make a picture later.
Regards, Erik |
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2nd July 2010, 03:45 PM
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As promised
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