IFICAH funding sale at Czerny's

Jean · 17th December 2019, 09:29 AM

Dear friends,
This sale (Czerny's auction N° 96) took place on Friday 13th December and many interesting krisses were auctioned. The most striking one was this very nice replica royal kris from Sulawesi or Sumbawa which fetched 22,000 Euros! it supposedly dates from end 19th/ beginning 20th century, and the dress is made from gilt metal (silver?). What do you think?
Regards

Paul B. · 17th December 2019, 11:45 AM

The loop is missing? Somehow the blade does not seem to be a good match with the dress? Just a feeling.

Jean · 17th December 2019, 01:14 PM

A royal kris may not need a loop (passio sumange or toli-toli) since I was told that it is supposedly made to secure the blade in front of the king?
Yes, the blade looks old but is not of matching quality with the dress.
Regards

Green · 17th December 2019, 02:03 PM

just as an aside, i wonder who got 200,201 and 203, all erroneously described as sumatran whereas actually hard to find chotengs (at least the dress are choteng if not the blades)

Paul B. · 17th December 2019, 02:42 PM

Examples of similar royal Bima krisses with more elegant blades. All with loops.

Paul B. · 17th December 2019, 02:47 PM

@ Green:
Are you surprised? Most auctionhouses make mistakes and it is up to the observer to make his / her own conclusions.
I have seen so many errors in their (good quality!) catalogue about the origin and even bone handles are abusively marked as being ivory. That's a real concern.

17th December 2019, 09:29 AM	#1
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	IFICAH funding sale at Czerny's Dear friends, This sale (Czerny's auction N° 96) took place on Friday 13th December and many interesting krisses were auctioned. The most striking one was this very nice replica royal kris from Sulawesi or Sumbawa which fetched 22,000 Euros! it supposedly dates from end 19th/ beginning 20th century, and the dress is made from gilt metal (silver?). What do you think? Regards Attached Images

17th December 2019, 02:42 PM	#5
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	Examples of similar royal Bima krisses with more elegant blades. All with loops. Attached Images

17th December 2019, 11:45 AM	#2
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	The loop is missing? Somehow the blade does not seem to be a good match with the dress? Just a feeling.

17th December 2019, 01:14 PM	#3
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	A royal kris may not need a loop (passio sumange or toli-toli) since I was told that it is supposedly made to secure the blade in front of the king? Yes, the blade looks old but is not of matching quality with the dress. Regards

17th December 2019, 02:03 PM	#4
Green Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Malaysia Posts: 312	just as an aside, i wonder who got 200,201 and 203, all erroneously described as sumatran whereas actually hard to find chotengs (at least the dress are choteng if not the blades)

17th December 2019, 02:47 PM	#6
Paul B. Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 205	@ Green: Are you surprised? Most auctionhouses make mistakes and it is up to the observer to make his / her own conclusions. I have seen so many errors in their (good quality!) catalogue about the origin and even bone handles are abusively marked as being ivory. That's a real concern.