SUMATRA TAPAK KUDA HILT FORMS

VANDOO · 27th January 2011, 06:07 AM

I SELDOM POST HERE BECAUSE OF LACK OF KNOWLEGE OF THE KERIS COMPARED TO MANY OTHERS. I DO HAVE A LOT OF PICTURES OF STRANGE AND UNUSUAL KERIS AND HANDLES SO THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE A FEW. I THOUGHT I WOULD DEVOTE THIS POST TO HANDLES ONLY FROM SUMATRA.
THESE TWO WERE IDENTIFIED AS "TAPAK KUDA" (HORSE FOOT) FROM SUMATRA. ITS HARD TO TELL FROM THE PICTURES BUT THEY APPEAR TO BE MADE OF HORN

. I HOPE I DO NOT POST PICTURES OF KERIS ALREADY POSTED ON THIS FORUM OR COVER GROUND THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TROD. COMMENTS WELCOME AND FEEL FREE TO ADD PICTURES OF EXAMPLES ,ENJOY

Sajen · 27th January 2011, 03:54 PM

Hello Vandoo,

nice handles. Most of the time they are mounted on keris panjang. Here two from my collection, both are from horn.

Regards,

Detlef

VVV · 27th January 2011, 05:03 PM

Great idea for an interesting reference thread.
But maybe we should limit it to only tapak kuda?
Here are mine.

Michael

sirek · 27th January 2011, 06:32 PM

warangka and hilt from horn.

Sajen · 27th January 2011, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Great idea for an interesting reference thread.
But maybe we should limit it to only tapak kuda?
Here are mine.

Michael

The limit to tapak kuda is a very good idea.
BTW, the first four handles from you are very nice!

Ups, now the order is different at soon! I mean the carved ones.

Regards,

Detlef

BluErf · 28th January 2011, 06:45 AM

Though these hilts are called tapak kuda in many parts of the keris world, the ultimate representation is probably a man with his head bowed. Some examples are clearer than others.

Newsteel · 29th January 2011, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Great idea for an interesting reference thread.
But maybe we should limit it to only tapak kuda?
Here are mine.

Michael

The top hilt, tapak kuda with makara form???? I think its unique....

BluErf · 29th January 2011, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newsteel

The top hilt, tapak kuda with makara form???? I think its unique....

Interesting observation. Yes, I see it especially in this example you referred to.

Michael's last panjang is a N. Malay panjang with a nice hilt. I have a similar one.

kulbuntet · 30th January 2011, 05:18 AM

Something diffrent, but stil Sumatra panjang,

kulbuntet · 30th January 2011, 05:25 AM

David · 30th January 2011, 07:38 AM

These last offerings are not tapak kuda form...

Newsteel · 30th January 2011, 02:14 PM

Thanks Kai Wee, that is very nice. Should come and 'audit' your private arsenal some day

The first pic posted by kulbuntet s totally of different form. It's not the typical tapak kuda form, probably this form is from Indragiri Riau?

kulbuntet · 30th January 2011, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

These last offerings are not tapak kuda form...

Yep, but are Sumatran, so on topic..:P

Sajen · 30th January 2011, 05:39 PM

Read post #3!

Best regards,

Detlef

David · 30th January 2011, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kulbuntet

Yep, but are Sumatran, so on topic..:P

Actually Kulbuntet, i believe that if you read the beginning posts it was decided early on to dedicate this thread to the Tapak Kuda form, so stick your tongue back in your mouth son...

Rick · 30th January 2011, 07:12 PM

NT

BluErf · 31st January 2011, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newsteel

Thanks Kai Wee, that is very nice. Should come and 'audit' your private arsenal some day

After the audit, do I have to file 'tax returns'? ;p

BluErf · 31st January 2011, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

NT

Rick's example - I have a similar one too. It's on a panjang which is probably from the more Northern areas of Sumatra. However, it is so simple that I'm not sure if it could be a generic form and not attributable to any region in Sumatra.

VVV · 31st January 2011, 04:40 PM

Nice hilts!

The last ones seems to be related to my green hilt, the one Detlef didn't like

I agree with Kai Wee that it looks like a hidden man.

Michael

Sajen · 31st January 2011, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VVV

Nice hilts!

The last ones seems to be related to my green hilt, the one Detlef didn't like

I agree with Kai Wee that it looks like a hidden man.

Michael

I am sure you understand me correct!

VANDOO · 31st January 2011, 06:32 PM

ARE THE MORE ORNATELY CARVED KERIS HANDLES IN THIS FORM USUALLY FOUND ON WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS EXECUTIONERS KERIS?? MOST I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN HAVE BEEN ON THE EXECUTIONERS KERIS. IS THE LONG EXECUTIONERS FORM OF KERIS MORE COMMON IN SUMATRA THAN IN OTHER PLACES OR IS THE FORM WIDESPREAD.??

David · 31st January 2011, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

ARE THE MORE ORNATELY CARVED KERIS HANDLES IN THIS FORM USUALLY FOUND ON WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS EXECUTIONERS KERIS?? MOST I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN HAVE BEEN ON THE EXECUTIONERS KERIS. IS THE LONG EXECUTIONERS FORM OF KERIS MORE COMMON IN SUMATRA THAN IN OTHER PLACES OR IS THE FORM WIDESPREAD.??

I must say that i'm not particularly fond of the term "executioners" keris because it's pretty misrepresentative of the form. Not the keris panjang were never used in executions, but i do not believe it is the purpose of the form.

BluErf · 1st February 2011, 05:46 AM

I think the long form of the hilt for keris panjang is a matter of aesthetic balance. Given the long batang, it needs to be balanced by a tall hilt. Also, many keris panjang have long peksi, so you'd need a tall hilt to accommodate that.

Hi Michael,

What green hilt? I don't see any green hilt in this post.

GIO · 1st February 2011, 07:19 PM

Some more examples of tapak kuda hilts.
All horn, except one in (I suppose) marine ivory.

VANDOO · 2nd February 2011, 09:51 PM

WITH MY LACK OF KNOWLEGE IN KERIS AND ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM SUMATRA I STARTED THE POST TO INCLUDE ALL FORMS FROM SUMATRA.
THOSE WITH MORE KNOWLEGE SUGGESTED RESTRICTING IT TO THIS ONE FORM. I AGREED WITH THIS AS THE POST MAY HAVE BECOME TOO CUMBERSOME IF EVERYTHING WAS INCLUDED. I DIDN'T REALIZE THE LARGE VARITY WITHIN THE FORM.
SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF EASY REFRENCE LISTING DIFFERENT FORMS SEPARATELY WOULD MAKE THEM MORE EASILY ACCESABLE AS WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THRU EVERYTHING TO FIND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR.
SO I HAVE CHANGED THIS POSTS TITLE TO AVOID CONFUSION AND FOCUS ONLY ON THIS FORM. SO A SEARCH FOR TAPAK KUDA SHOULD BRING THIS INFORMATION UP. I AT LEAST HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THIS POST AS WELL AS THE POST ON BIRD FORMS SO KEEP EXAMPLES OF THIS FORM COMING

.
PERHAPS SOMEONE CAN START A POST ON SOME OTHER SUMATRA FORM AND AFTER WE COVER SUMATRA PERHAPS WE CAN MOVE ON TO JAVA, BALI AND MALAYSIA.

Sajen · 2nd February 2011, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

PERHAPS SOMEONE CAN START A POST ON SOME OTHER SUMATRA FORM AND AFTER WE COVER SUMATRA PERHAPS WE CAN MOVE ON TO JAVA, BALI AND MALAYSIA.

Hi Barry,

interesting target but very big projekt!

Maybe at weekend I start with jawa deman hilts from Sumatra.

Regards,

Detlef

27th January 2011, 06:07 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	SUMATRA TAPAK KUDA HILT FORMS I SELDOM POST HERE BECAUSE OF LACK OF KNOWLEGE OF THE KERIS COMPARED TO MANY OTHERS. I DO HAVE A LOT OF PICTURES OF STRANGE AND UNUSUAL KERIS AND HANDLES SO THOUGHT I WOULD SHARE A FEW. I THOUGHT I WOULD DEVOTE THIS POST TO HANDLES ONLY FROM SUMATRA. THESE TWO WERE IDENTIFIED AS "TAPAK KUDA" (HORSE FOOT) FROM SUMATRA. ITS HARD TO TELL FROM THE PICTURES BUT THEY APPEAR TO BE MADE OF HORN . I HOPE I DO NOT POST PICTURES OF KERIS ALREADY POSTED ON THIS FORUM OR COVER GROUND THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TROD. COMMENTS WELCOME AND FEEL FREE TO ADD PICTURES OF EXAMPLES ,ENJOY Attached Images Last edited by VANDOO; 27th January 2011 at 06:20 AM.

27th January 2011, 03:54 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Hello Vandoo, nice handles. Most of the time they are mounted on keris panjang. Here two from my collection, both are from horn. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

27th January 2011, 06:32 PM	#4
sirek Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 169	warangka and hilt from horn. Attached Images

30th January 2011, 07:12 PM	#16
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,293	NT Attached Images

1st February 2011, 07:19 PM	#24
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 313	Some more examples of tapak kuda hilts. All horn, except one in (I suppose) marine ivory. Attached Images

27th January 2011, 05:03 PM	#3
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Great idea for an interesting reference thread. But maybe we should limit it to only tapak kuda? Here are mine. Michael Attached Images

28th January 2011, 06:45 AM	#6
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Though these hilts are called tapak kuda in many parts of the keris world, the ultimate representation is probably a man with his head bowed. Some examples are clearer than others.

30th January 2011, 05:18 AM	#9
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159	Something diffrent, but stil Sumatra panjang,

30th January 2011, 05:25 AM	#10
kulbuntet Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands Posts: 159

30th January 2011, 07:38 AM	#11
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,127	These last offerings are not tapak kuda form...

30th January 2011, 02:14 PM	#12
Newsteel Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 132	Thanks Kai Wee, that is very nice. Should come and 'audit' your private arsenal some day The first pic posted by kulbuntet s totally of different form. It's not the typical tapak kuda form, probably this form is from Indragiri Riau?

30th January 2011, 05:39 PM	#14
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Read post #3! Best regards, Detlef

31st January 2011, 04:40 PM	#19
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Nice hilts! The last ones seems to be related to my green hilt, the one Detlef didn't like I agree with Kai Wee that it looks like a hidden man. Michael

31st January 2011, 06:32 PM	#21
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ARE THE MORE ORNATELY CARVED KERIS HANDLES IN THIS FORM USUALLY FOUND ON WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS EXECUTIONERS KERIS?? MOST I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN HAVE BEEN ON THE EXECUTIONERS KERIS. IS THE LONG EXECUTIONERS FORM OF KERIS MORE COMMON IN SUMATRA THAN IN OTHER PLACES OR IS THE FORM WIDESPREAD.??

1st February 2011, 05:46 AM	#23
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I think the long form of the hilt for keris panjang is a matter of aesthetic balance. Given the long batang, it needs to be balanced by a tall hilt. Also, many keris panjang have long peksi, so you'd need a tall hilt to accommodate that. Hi Michael, What green hilt? I don't see any green hilt in this post.

2nd February 2011, 09:51 PM	#25
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WITH MY LACK OF KNOWLEGE IN KERIS AND ESPECIALLY THOSE FROM SUMATRA I STARTED THE POST TO INCLUDE ALL FORMS FROM SUMATRA. THOSE WITH MORE KNOWLEGE SUGGESTED RESTRICTING IT TO THIS ONE FORM. I AGREED WITH THIS AS THE POST MAY HAVE BECOME TOO CUMBERSOME IF EVERYTHING WAS INCLUDED. I DIDN'T REALIZE THE LARGE VARITY WITHIN THE FORM. SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF EASY REFRENCE LISTING DIFFERENT FORMS SEPARATELY WOULD MAKE THEM MORE EASILY ACCESABLE AS WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THRU EVERYTHING TO FIND WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. SO I HAVE CHANGED THIS POSTS TITLE TO AVOID CONFUSION AND FOCUS ONLY ON THIS FORM. SO A SEARCH FOR TAPAK KUDA SHOULD BRING THIS INFORMATION UP. I AT LEAST HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THIS POST AS WELL AS THE POST ON BIRD FORMS SO KEEP EXAMPLES OF THIS FORM COMING . PERHAPS SOMEONE CAN START A POST ON SOME OTHER SUMATRA FORM AND AFTER WE COVER SUMATRA PERHAPS WE CAN MOVE ON TO JAVA, BALI AND MALAYSIA.